Non Rev Travel Planner

[jimntx]

FCFS is a joke. You are competing with everyones spouse, kid, reg guest all sitting on their smartphones right to the milli second to check in. No wonder every other legacy airline used/uses senority boarding.

Then start laughing.  It is what is and will remain so.  You can either keep your panties in a wad, or learn to check in 24 hours in advance.  Sorry, no more pushing the junior person off the airplane for your blessed seniority.  Considering the mess that US Airways pilot seniority was in, what's it gotten you so far?

 

[Pi brat]

You get Six D1 passes to use each year,
FCFS is fair for everyone

It's a CF, and a potential safety issue. Having airline personnel set their alarm clocks to make sure they check in at exactly the right second, disrupting their sleep, is nuts.

Why can't we us an app to do it for us? I'm guessing people actually do?

 

[john john]

You think

 

[jimntx]

How about living in base rather than commute?  You choose to commute.  Why should the company have to assist that effort?  AA's policy for everyone has always been commuting is on you.  If you don't get on an airplane to get to work on time, it's called a missed trip.

 

[Pi brat]

How about living in base rather than commute?  You choose to commute.  Why should the company have to assist that effort?  AA's policy for everyone has always been commuting is on you.  If you don't get on an airplane to get to work on time, it's called a missed trip.

Are you addressing me? If so, I don't commute, but I hear my crew members making the statement " I had to get up at XX:XX to check in" Maybe I should ask them if they are properly rested, or remove them from the trip. Perhaps that would shine some light on this idiotic process.
 
But it's not just flight crew members. What about an agent that is going a trip the next day and has to get up at 05:00 to check in, disrupting his sleep pattern? Or a dispatcher?

 

[UPNAWAY]

You can check in 24 hrs before a flight why does a crew memeber get up a zero dark thirty (Or XXX) to check in?

 

[ChockJockey]

Oh man, having only 24 hours to recover from that single exhausting minute it takes to check in for one's free air travel...
 
The struggle is real.

 

[Pi brat]

Oh man, having only 24 hours to recover from that single exhausting minute it takes to check in for one's free air travel...
 
The struggle is real.

If you disrupt your sleep cycle, then have to report for duty, it is real.
 
I just don't get how anyone supports FCFS, even junior ones. Especially this one.

 

[Pi brat]

You can check in 24 hrs before a flight why does a crew memeber get up a zero dark thirty (Or XXX) to check in?

Because if you don't do it early, you could be last on the list. Try that on a 50 seat RJ.
 
How about having the time you worked here mean something?

 

[dfw gen]

Are you addressing me? If so, I don't commute, but I hear my crew members making the statement " I had to get up at XX:XX to check in" Maybe I should ask them if they are properly rested, or remove them from the trip. Perhaps that would shine some light on this idiotic process.
 
But it's not just flight crew members. What about an agent that is going a trip the next day and has to get up at 05:00 to check in, disrupting his sleep pattern? Or a dispatcher?

your reaching petty far there. tell you what im a little tired be happy to take the day off please send me home,

 

[Pi brat]

your reaching petty far there. tell you what im a little tired be happy to take the day off please send me home,

Are you taught 4 times a year about the importance of proper rest and circadian rhythms? Do you have to sign a legal document every time you start to work saying that you are well rested?

 

[blue collar]

I wonder how many missed trips one could rack up before the company suspends their non rev priveleges?

 

[jimntx]

Are you addressing me? If so, I don't commute, but I hear my crew members making the statement " I had to get up at XX:XX to check in" Maybe I should ask them if they are properly rested, or remove them from the trip. Perhaps that would shine some light on this idiotic process.
 
But it's not just flight crew members. What about an agent that is going a trip the next day and has to get up at 05:00 to check in, disrupting his sleep pattern? Or a dispatcher?

Well you can split all the hairs you like, and argue all the reason why the way you always did it is the only way to do it, but you know what?  It's not going to change a thing.  And, if any of those "well-rested" arguments of your held any water, I can assure you that the APA would have used them years ago.  Yet, a much larger pilot force that LUS has lived with FCFS for a long time.
 
Don't try to add flight attendants or gate agents or ticket counter agents to that mix because we are not allowed the luxury of calling in fatigued.  (And, don't you think your grasping a little hard if the best you can do is come up with a gate agent's sleep pattern disruption.  Please.  It is hard to imagine how little any agency cares about gate agents, or flight attendants, or baggage handlers.)  Every time flight attendants try to bring up this issue to the FAA, the FAA appoints another committee to "study" the issue.  There are no FAA rest rules for flight attendants other than we can not fly 7 days straight.  There must be a 24 hour break either at the end of the 6th day or during days 2-6 which just causes the 7-day test to start over.

 

[Pi brat]

Well you can split all the hairs you like, and argue all the reason why the way you always did it is the only way to do it, but you know what?  It's not going to change a thing.  And, if any of those "well-rested" arguments of your held any water, I can assure you that the APA would have used them years ago.  Yet, a much larger pilot force that LUS has lived with FCFS for a long time.
 
Don't try to add flight attendants or gate agents or ticket counter agents to that mix because we are not allowed the luxury of calling in fatigued.  (And, don't you think your grasping a little hard if the best you can do is come up with a gate agent's sleep pattern disruption.  Please.  It is hard to imagine how little any agency cares about gate agents, or flight attendants, or baggage handlers.)  Every time flight attendants try to bring up this issue to the FAA, the FAA appoints another committee to "study" the issue.  There are no FAA rest rules for flight attendants other than we can not fly 7 days straight.  There must be a 24 hour break either at the end of the 6th day or during days 2-6 which just causes the 7-day test to start over.

I included them out of respect. Pilots are not the only ones that are safety related in this business, not by a long shot. As the husband of a F/A, the son of a station manager, and the father of an agent, I understand that we are all important.
 
A F/A most certainly can call in fatigued, and if they cannot safely perform their duties, they should.
 
Why do you support FCFS? Fairness? Why not bid your schedules and vacation by it?
 
I would be okay with FCFS if we were allowed to use an app to check us in. My issue is with the race to do it on the second, 24 hours in advance. Do you know why an app cannot be used? Crash the system?
 
But you are right, I doubt it will change.

 

[bigbear52]

I included them out of respect. Pilots are not the only ones that are safety related in this business, not by a long shot. As the husband of a F/A, the son of a station manager, and the father of an agent, I understand that we are all important.
 
A F/A most certainly can call in fatigued, and if they cannot safely perform their duties, they should.
 
Why do you support FCFS? Fairness? Why not bid your schedules and vacation by it?
 
I would be okay with FCFS if we were allowed to use an app to check us in. My issue is with the race to do it on the second, 24 hours in advance. Do you know why an app cannot be used? Crash the


But you are right, I doubt it will change.