Non Rev policies after merger?

[cltrat]

Well I guess this is one item AA and US employees will be fighting over....wonder how many more will be on the list once the merger is actually announced! TWA all over again lol!!!!

not really, if this abortion of a merger takes place, then management will make a decision on policy. Likely they will consult none of us.
Then depending on your point of view there will be bit*hing and complaining about it,but there won't be much to fight with each other about.it

 

[silverbird007]

At AA we check in on line 24 hours before departure, it was 4 hours before departure for years. It was changed a couple of years ago. I prefer the first come first serve, one reason is everything else is based on seniority so at least the junior people get a shot at getting on. My partner works for another airline that boards DOH, we usually travel use them (UA) they have a better network to Europe especially since the CO merger. Hes not that senior but because of the many different options we usually get First or Business.UA has EWR with about 35-40 cities in Europe, you can also go thru IAD or ORD with lots of widebodies. I hope if we do merge that we keep all of US's European destinations. But it depends on which mgmt takes over. When AA bought TWA they immediately discontinued almost all of the European flights, so unless our mgmnt changes or Parker takes over im sure AA will start cutting routes like crazy. AA loves to give most of our European routes to BA thru LHR. I like the AA first come first serve better. Especially for Europe ,since our network is smaller (except for LHR)

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

The last time I had need to fly I didn't even fly my airline, it was simply easier to pay full fare on an OAL and simply show up like the rest of the mouth breathers.Even got DB compensation as I wasn't on a strict schedule and could arrive 5 hours later.

 

[wings396]

Very true, it's tough to even get on anymore, and forget it if you are trying to travel with a family. Buying a ticket is the way to go if you really need to get there.

 

[blue collar]

Having worked for both AA and US previously, I think that AAs policy is better. I never missed a flight on US because of seniority, but I think AAs policy is more fair for everyone. Seniority isn't used for the healthcare benefits as to who sees a doctor first, and it shouldn't be used for who makes the flight first. I think that active should have a higher priority than retired, because active employees do commute. It would also be nice if they would open up jumpseats for you guys to use. Not that I think it will happen...

 

[necigrad]

Active employees should always have a higher priority then any nonrev other then one traveling on company business. If you're not the employee (or traveling with one) then you're either retired (and have a flexible schedule) or furloughed (and have a flexible schedule or have obtained employment elsewhere). I'm sure there are exceptions, but let's look at what it is: an EMPLOYEE benefit.

Jumpseats are a sore topic IMO. Back when I was a West employee as a Team Lead I was able to jumpseat in the flight deck until 9/11. After that they said that the FARs didn't allow it. Oddly enough the FARs hadn't changed. Employees, at least those that work at the airports, have the same security screening as the mechanics and pilots. There is no concern of a risk, and if there is their employment should be seriously reconsidered. I do, however, recognise that there is SOME language in the FARs that restricts flgiht deck access, but I think they are being interpreted in a much more strict fashion then in the past. I also don't understand the problem with cabin jumpseats. They can go empty and be safe, but because an employee isn't "qualified" they're not safe to sit in them. Makes no sense to me. If the plane's got the weight and the empty seats fill 'em up!

 

[Fly4Free]

AA
No buddy passes until after two (2) years of service.
Can fly for free in first (I'll check that) after 10 years of service.

Ouch.. with US Airways it was about a month of employment first.

 

[USnonrev16]

Ouch.. with US Airways it was about a month of employment first.

What are the costs associated with non reving if you don't have more than 10 years? Just curious because I have more anyway

 

[gabby]

American Eagle F/A's have to pay $13 for each time they non rev on American.

 

[jimntx]

What are the costs associated with non reving if you don't have more than 10 years? Just curious because I have more anyway

Here are some examples taken from the NRSA travel charges page on the employee computer portal. Be aware airlineforums.com doesn't tab very well so I'm not going to space out the amounts as I normally would. All charges will be listed in F,J,Y (First, Business, Coach) order. If there are only two amounts, there is no J charge associated. Note that all non-rev charges are based on distance traveled. A DFW-ELP trip will cost less than DFW-SEA.

D1/D2 represents employee (active or retired), spouse, children under 18, Domestic Partner, Registered Companion
DFW-ELP-DFW First --- Coach
Under 5 years: $38.22, $22.66
5 or more yrs: $38.22, $0.00
25 or more yrs: $28.16, $0.00
D3 represents friends, non-immediate family members, children over 18. There is only one charge for D3 domestic travelers. They pay the same whether F/C or coach on domestic flights; so, I just go ahead and list them for First in hopes they get it.
$84.56

D1/D2
DFW-LHR-DFW -- First Business Coach
Under 25 years: $513.20, $433.20, $280.60
25 or more yrs: $443.20, $363.20, $174.20
D3
-------------------- $813.20, $663.20, $460.60

I'm fairly sure that when I first started with AA in 2000, employees with 25 or more years flew free in F/C, but it appears from the information on the Jetnet website, they now get a discount, but not free travel except in domestic coach (which everyone gets at 5 years).

 

[cltrat]

if jimntx post is accurate the US policy is far better

 

[necigrad]

I'd guess if the merger were to happen, is US management sticks around they'go with something more like what US has now just for the simplicity. Of course, regardless, the executives making these decisions have lifetime free flight benefits contractually...

 

[cltrat]

I'd guess if the merger were to happen, is US management sticks around they'go with something more like what US has now just for the simplicity. Of course, regardless, the executives making these decisions have lifetime free flight benefits contractually...

this.........and positive space to boot!

 

[Veritas]

D1/D2
DFW-LHR-DFW -- First Business Coach
Under 25 years: $513.20, $433.20, $280.60
25 or more yrs: $443.20, $363.20, $174.20

That's misleading since you have lumped in US and international taxes and fees. International travel is free with 25 years company seniority.

D1/D2 EMP/RETIREE/SPOUSES/DOMESTIC PARTNER/DEP CHILD/PARENT/
REGISTERED COMPANION
AIRPORT     MILES    F-COST     J-COST    Y-COST   TRIP VALUE
DFW LHR     4,753    100.00      60.00     35.00     125.00    
             I.T. TAX 16.70      16.70     16.70
            ADMIN FEE  2.50       2.50      2.50
LHR DFW     4,753    100.00      60.00     35.00     125.00    
             I.T. TAX 16.70      16.70     16.70
       CUSTOMS FEE/YC  5.50       5.50      5.50
       INSPECTION FEE  7.00       7.00      7.00
         APHIS FEE/XA  5.00       5.00      5.00

SERVICE CHARGE       200.00     120.00     70.00               
US TAXES/FEES         53.40      53.40     53.40               
INTL TAXES/FEES      259.80     259.80    157.20               
TOTAL       9,506    513.20     433.20    280.60     250.00    


D1/D2- 5 YEARS EMPLOYEE/RETIREE/SPOUSES/DOMESTIC PARTNER/
DEP CHILD/REGISTERED COMPANION
AIRPORT     MILES    F-COST     J-COST    Y-COST   TRIP VALUE
DFW LHR     4,753    100.00      60.00     35.00     125.00 
             I.T. TAX 16.70      16.70     16.70
            ADMIN FEE  2.50       2.50      2.50
LHR DFW     4,753    100.00      60.00     35.00     125.00 
             I.T. TAX 16.70      16.70     16.70
       CUSTOMS FEE/YC  5.50       5.50      5.50
       INSPECTION FEE  7.00       7.00      7.00
         APHIS FEE/XA  5.00       5.00      5.00

SERVICE CHARGE       200.00     120.00     70.00
US TAXES/FEES         53.40      53.40     53.40
INTL TAXES/FEES      259.80     259.80    157.20
TOTAL       9,506    513.20     433.20    280.60     250.00


D1/D2-25 YEARS EMPLOYEE/RETIREE/SPOUSES/DOMESTIC PARTNER/
DEP CHILD/REGISTERED COMPANION
AIRPORT     MILES    F-COST     J-COST    Y-COST   TRIP VALUE
DFW LHR     4,753     65.00      25.00       .00     125.00 
             I.T. TAX 16.70      16.70       .00
            ADMIN FEE  2.50       2.50       .00
LHR DFW     4,753     65.00      25.00       .00     125.00 
             I.T. TAX 16.70      16.70       .00
       CUSTOMS FEE/YC  5.50       5.50      5.50
       INSPECTION FEE  7.00       7.00      7.00
         APHIS FEE/XA  5.00       5.00      5.00

SERVICE CHARGE       130.00      50.00       .00
US TAXES/FEES         53.40      53.40     17.50
INTL TAXES/FEES      259.80     259.80    157.20
TOTAL       9,506    443.20     363.20    174.70     250.00

 

[jimntx]

I wasn't trying to mislead. Those are the exact same charges you show from the NRSA page. International travel is not free for over 25 years. Over 25 years gets you no service charge in coach. How is it "misleading" to list the $174.70 that has to be paid? Just because it's taxes and fees, not service charge? It still has to be paid by the employee.

From the Trip Book..."If you have 25 years or more of actual company seniority, you will fly service charge waived in the coach cabin systemwide. If you have five (5) years or more, but less than 25 years of actual company seniority, you will fly service charged waived in the coach cabin on domestic flights only." By the way, the emphasis on service charge waived and coach cabin is the company's, not mine.

Where I "messed up" is that I only look at the bottom line--net payment for travel. If money comes out of my pocket, I do not consider the travel to be free. I don't care if it's taxes and fees, service charges, or a ham and cheese sandwich, I had to pay for the travel.