New Flight Attendant Wages

[Fly]

Overview of Changes to Pay & Benefits – IFS
Updated September 22, 2005



Pay Scale


Years of Service - DL Current - Effective November 1, 2005

Start................19.35..................... 17.61
1.....................20.78..................... 18.91
2.....................20.78......................18.91
3.....................24.60......................22.39
4.....................27.11......................24.67
5.....................32.59.....................26.40*
6.....................34.16......................31.09
7.....................35.10......................31.94
8.....................36.07......................32.82
9.....................37.22......................33.87
10....................38.25.....................34.81
11....................40.08.....................36.47
12....................43.88.....................39.49



*Effective 11/1/05, the 5 year step will be reduced by 19%; however,
Flight attendants who are at the 5 year step before 11/1/05, will have a 9% reduction.
Their rate will be frozen until moved to the 6 year step. Flight attendants who receive
the 5 year step increase on or after 11/1/05, will move to the new rate of $26.40



Additional Compensation
Type - Current - Effective November 1, 2005

Longevity Pay - $5.40 per month beginning after 9th year, to a maximum of $54.00 a month - Discontinued

International Pay - $1.80 per credit hour - Discontinued

Night Pay - $0.22 per actual flight hour between the hours of 1800 and 0600 - Discontinued

Holding Pay - $16.20 per hour - Reduced by 9%

Delay Pay - $10.80 per hour - Discontinued

Per Diem - $2.10 per hour dom/$2.60 transoceanic - $1.85 per hour dom/$2.40 transoceanic

Language Pay - $1.35 per flight hour - No Change at this time.

OBL - Pay Varies by aircraft and destination - No Change at this time.


Benefits
Benefit - Change - Effective Date

Enhanced Medical Option - Eliminated - January 1, 2006

Accident Leave - Eliminated - September 30, 2005

Non-Certified Sick Days - Eliminated. All FAs will receive a yearly bank of 27.5 PPT (Personal Paid Time) hours to be used for illness, injury or personal time. - April 1, 2006

Certified Sick Days - Changed. Certified time banks will no
longer accrue time but become fixed career bank. - April 1, 2006

Short-Term Disability - Changed. FAs will now purchase Short-Term Disability which pays up to 60% of earnings tax- free. - April 1, 2006

Long-Term Disability - Changed. Delta will now pay cost of Long-Term Disability for all FAs at 50% of earnings. FA may purchase additional coverage up to 60% of earnings. - April 1, 2006

Vacation - Future vacation time accrual will be capped at 4 weeks. FAs who currently have or are accruing 5 weeks will retain this level of accrual. - March 31, 2006

Non-Revenue Travel - $50 NRSA activation charge per primary PPR each employment anniversary (one charge per employee/retiree/etc. – not one for each member with a PPR number) - 1st quarter 2006

Pension - Plan freezing. Not planning to make funding contributions soon due. Plan freezes 12/31/05. - Not planning to make funding contributions soon due.


IFS Programs
Program - Change - Effective Date

Auxiliary Program - Program discontinued. - January 1, 2006

OBL Program - No Change at this time. - N/A

L.O.D. Program - No Change at this time. - N/A

A-Day Program - A-Day obligations will increase to approx. 70% of FA population. No more than one 3 day A-Day block starting in a bid period per FA. - January 1, 2006

Authorized Leave - Discontinued. - Introduce Holiday Pay. - November 1, 2005

Holiday Pay - Program added. FAs working on 5 predetermined holidays will receive $20 per block hour additional pay. - November 1, 2005

Crew Rest - Current seats on 767ER replaced by 4 seats in YC cabin, allowing Delta to add and sell 10 additional YC seats - In alignment with aircraft modification schedule - 2006


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[robbedagain]

boy it sure sounds like they got shafted big time. good luck to all of you fine Delta employees

 

[WorldTraveler]

Fly,
I know you're one of the few people on the planet who don't care about your wages but you sure seem interested in posting other people's. Why don't you put UA F/A scales up here for comparison?

Oh and don't forget to include that DL F/As still have their pension. They will be frozen, not terminated.

I know you are so rich down there in (deleted) that you are out of touch with reality and have no relevance to the common worker, but there are thousands of UA F/As that have taken such a shaft that they are reeling. (if you don't want the initials of your locale posted, I'd suggest you delete the pilot's initials)

 

[Bear96]

Why don't you put UA F/A scales up here for comparison?

[post="304563"][/post]​

I'm not Fly, but OK (from www.unitedafa.org):

SECTION 5
COMPENSATION

1. Domestic Flying

04/01/02 05/01/03 05/01/07 05/01/08 04/30/09
1st year $20.91 $19.03 $19.41 $19.80 $20.20
2nd year $22.10 $20.11 $20.51 $20.92 $21.34
3rd year $23.52 $21.40 $21.83 $22.27 $22.72
4th year $24.18 $22.00 $22.44 $22.89 $23.35
5th year $27.41 $24.94 $25.44 $25.95 $26.47
6th year $36.06 $32.81 $33.47 $34.14 $34.82
7 th year $37.99 $34.57 $35.26 $35.97 $36.69
8th year $38.93 $35.43 $36.14 $36.86 $37.60
9th year $40.20 $36.58 $37.31 $38.06 $38.82
10th year $41.48 $37.75 $38.51 $39.28 $40.07
11th year $42.40 $38.58 $39.35 $40.14 $40.94
12th year $43.39 $39.48 $40.27 $41.08 $41.90
13th year $44.34 $40.35 $41.16 $41.98 $42.82
14th year $45.02 $40.97 $41.79 $42.63 $43.48

2. International Flying

04/01/02 05/01/03 05/01/07 05/01/08 04/30/09
1st year $21.53 $19.59 $19.98 $20.38 $20.79
2nd year $22.72 $20.68 $21.09 $21.51 $21.94
3rd year $24.14 $21.97 $22.41 $22.86 $23.32
4th year $24.80 $22.57 $23.02 $23.48 $23.95
5th year $28.02 $25.50 $26.01 $26.53 $27.06
6th year $40.12 $36.51 $37.24 $37.98 $38.74
7th year $42.04 $38.26 $39.03 $39.81 $40.61
8th year $42.90 $39.04 $39.82 $40.62 $41.43
9th year $44.31 $40.32 $41.13 $41.95 $42.79
10th year $45.17 $41.10 $41.92 $42.76 $43.62
11th year $46.20 $42.04 $42.88 $43.74 $44.61
12th year $47.33 $43.07 $43.93 $44.81 $45.71
13th year $48.24 $43.90 $44.78 $45.68 $46.59
14th year $48.87 $44.47 $45.36 $46.27 $47.20



For another comparison, here's a look at DL's work rules:










[crickets chirping in the background]

Oh and don't forget to include that DL F/As still have their pension. They will be frozen, not terminated.

I thought the defined benefit pensions were unilaterally converted to a DC plan a few years ago? (Not sure about that though?)

But we know where this is going, WT -- we know! -- so let me save you a little time:

DL is great, DL is good, DL management is just and wise and UA management is evil incarnate / a bunch of bumbling nincompoops, DL pays the best no matter what the dang "numbers" say, the DL BK is all part of The Plan, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, .............

 

[Fly]

So what exactly are you mad about? The fact that Delta did exactly what we said they would or that I'm not crying about my wages every day?

 

[Skymess]

So basically because there is no union this is it? Imposed on them?

 

[WorldTraveler]

Bear,
thank you for posting the info.
The inquiry was simply a comparison of how DL employees fare relative to other employees. The work rules section obviously didn't copy but I would expect that DL F/As don't have the same work restrictions that other flight attendant groups have. I'm disappointed to see any employees have their wages cut; it was abundantly clear with the DL and NW bankruptcies that the industry had reached a tipping point that will force all of the industry to the same cost levels.

I never said that DL flight attendants or any other DL employees would not face wage cuts. I also never said bankruptcy was part of the plan. I have said that DL has a solid plan going into bankruptcy and will move through the bankruptcy process quickly and successfully. But that's not just my assessment - there are plenty of articles showing that DL has moved very decisively.

Fly,
I'm not mad at anyone, including you. I just find it more than a little curious that you seem to care nothing about your paycheck but seem to make a career of promoting unions and telling other airline employees how poorly they have it - esp. those without the "benefit" of unions.

You got rather bent out of shape for me posting the name of your city but you didn't hesitate to post someone else's initials. Once again, your practice and prose don't match.

 

[jimntx]

Just FYI...(I know that all of you have been unable to sleep at night wondering.)

I'm on 4th year pay step at AA. Even after their paycut, a 4th year f/a at DL will make more than I (less than a dollar, but still more). I make more than a 4th year UAL f/a.

Now, go to bed and sleep soundly. You're welcome.

 

[coolflyingfool]

Looks like DL F/As are taking the short end of this stick. My best to all of you.

 

[Fly]

Here's the difference WT. I posted his initials with his blessing, you posted mine without.

You seem a bit bent out of shape that I posted the wages at all. That is what this forum is for, exchanging of information. If you don't like it, I would suggest you don't frequent the boards. Until then, I will continue to post any breaking aviation news I find.

Your welcome!

(I'm not so "rich and out of touch with reality" WT) What's wrong? Angry that I won't respond to your PM's?

 

[wepas]

FYI...The United wage charts posted previously by Bear 96 were before the last pay cut...to access this agreement, you have to pull up the 2005-2010 agreement on the AFA website. First year f/a's will start at $17.22/hour and you top out at $37.08. International pay is about $4/hour after year 5.

Domestic Hourly Rates
YEAR 5/1/2003 1/7/2005 5/1/2007 5/1/2008 1/1/2009
1 $19.03 $17.22 $17.57 $17.92 $18.28
2 $20.11 $18.20 $18.56 $18.93 $19.31
3 $21.40 $19.37 $19.75 $20.15 $20.55
4 $22.00 $19.91 $20.31 $20.71 $21.13
5 $24.94 $22.57 $23.02 $23.48 $23.95
6 $32.81 $29.69 $30.29 $30.89 $31.51
7 $34.57 $31.29 $31.91 $32.55 $33.20
8 $35.43 $32.06 $32.71 $33.36 $34.03
9 $36.58 $33.10 $33.77 $34.44 $35.13
10 $37.75 $34.16 $34.85 $35.54 $36.25
11 $38.58 $34.91 $35.61 $36.33 $37.05
12 $39.48 $35.73 $36.44 $37.17 $37.92
13 $40.35 $36.52 $37.25 $37.99 $38.75
14 $40.97 $37.08 $37.82 $38.58 $39.35

 

[Bear96]

Oops -- sorry about that -- I just clicked on "UAL/AFA Contract" on the left-hand side of the home page. I still don't see a link that says anything like "2005/2010 agreement" (not that I am doubting you).

Apologies for any confusion.

 

[Skymess]

Just FYI...(I know that all of you have been unable to sleep at night wondering.)

I'm on 4th year pay step at AA. Even after their paycut, a 4th year f/a at DL will make more than I (less than a dollar, but still more). I make more than a 4th year UAL f/a.

Now, go to bed and sleep soundly. You're welcome.

[post="304707"][/post]​

yep and they have holiday pay for 5 holidays at 20 bucks extra an hour. we have none.

They have per diem dom. 1.85 and 2.40 per intl. Beats the pants off us.

The company will pay for part of their long term disability. We pay for ours.

They got the shaft on a few things including the scariest part that Delta will freeze pension payments. No intention of paying into it this year. Could be the start of the PBGC dump.

Stinks all around but could have been much worse. I think.

 

[Bear96]

Stinks all around but could have been much worse. I think.

[post="304806"][/post]​

And it probably will be. If DL are using U and UA as any guide, there will be a few more rounds of cuts before all is said and done.

 

[wepas]

To reference the current UA contract, do the following:
1) www.unitedafa.org
2) click on UAL/AFA contract (left margin of the screen)
3) click on the link on the right hand margin that says "Be sure to reference the 2005-2010 FA agreement when studying contractual provisions"
4) On the left hand side of that you will find a wage chart.
Just wanted to make sure the correct info is out there!