New Atlantic Routes?

[Barfbag]

Just hope they take a look at the rear Lavs ( drainage problems ), the last rows in Main, always smell like piss. :angry:

 

[LGA Fleet Service]

Just hope they take a look at the rear Lavs ( drainage problems ), the last rows in Main, always smell like piss. :angry:

Take a look at the lav guys to find the cause of the smell...I've watched them hook up to a 75 and literally a minute later, they're disconnecting and getting back to sitting around doing nothing.

 

[jimntx]

As a f/a I am all too aware that the servicing is less than perfect. We were having a major odor problem one day. Supposedly the lavs were serviced twice. The next stop, the FO went down and stood next to the lav truck while they serviced the plane. Problem solved, odor went away.

 

[ArtTang]

Sure, the union is good at pushing paper after the fact. Let's speculate on what they will give up in order to get us a rest seat.......even though we don't have to give anything up to get what's written in our contract. They'll find a way, I'm certain.

My theory: they will reconfigure the airplane without rest seats. The union will file a greivance and they will come to an agreement to put the seats in, economy seats will be given in the meantime, and it will take them 1-2 years for the first planes to be reconfigured with the rest seats. Otherwise, the 757 to europe will be a bust and they will just leave the planes as is for domestic.

I submitted a question regarding this very matter to Jet News Q&A. I'll let you know what the response is.

Art in IMA

 

[FWAAA]

Pretty much anywhere we go to Europe is going to be over 8 hours on the 757. Though, I suppose they could have the flights leave at 2pm and 3pm to virtually guarantee less block time built into the trip sequence.

LAX-SJU is already flown with a 757 and it's 100 miles farther than BOS-LHR. While these planes might be flown on longer segments requiring crew rest seats, I'd expect them to be flown shorter flights to secondary UK cities such as STN, MAN, BHX, BRS, EDI, etc. Maybe DUB from BOS. I don't think those flights would hit 8 hours but perhaps some would exceed it by a few minutes.

If an international flight's block time is 8.5 hours, just how substantial must crew rest seats be? How many hours of rest do you get on an 8.5 hour flight?

And as far as industry leading seats, I wouldn't put it past AA to design high comfort pull out jumpseats at 2LR and two more cruddy coach seats with a footrest that passengers will continually try to upgrade themselves into if the flight falls to 7:59 on international or on domestic flights. <_<

The 762ERs featured two "cruddy coach seats with a footrest," 17HJ, and that plane flew all over Europe; what other crew rest facilities were there? Are 17ABHJ on today's 763s unsatisfactory for crew rest or are you talking about some other type of "cruddy coach seat?"

 

[AC AA LA FA]

Look. The Contract is clear..Industry Leading. If the two parties cant come to an agreement and Arbitrator will decide what that might mean.

I am sure the Company will go forward with the reconfiguration plans only to have to modify them when/if APFA wins the decision.

Its very typical AA approach to ignoring contractual language they find seriously inconvenient, despite its clarity and intention.....

 

[Pain at the Pump]

I certainly hope that Amarican management does Not intend to land a 757(from anywhere) in LHR ! I'd like to think that the LHR routes were Widebodys at ALL times.(same as JFK/LAX) !

 

[heckle and jyde]

As a f/a I am all too aware that the servicing is less than perfect. We were having a major odor problem one day. Supposedly the lavs were serviced twice. The next stop, the FO went down and stood next to the lav truck while they serviced the plane. Problem solved, odor went away.

 

[tWade]

A new LOA between AA and APFA is inevitable. Maybe the 757's will get crewmeals in exchange for no rest seats. If this doesn't happen, they will probably block off 2 FC seats for rest on the few flights that might go over 8 hours-probably only the westbound. I would expect these new routes for the 757 to be the shortest ones. Certain flights, such as JFK to Ireland, Copenhagen, Lisbon, Amsterdam, wouldn't be scheduled over 8 hours even westbound. Of course, they can always "schedule it" less than reality, if needed to deny the rest seats.

 

[boston]

LAX-SJU is already flown with a 757 and it's 100 miles farther than BOS-LHR. While these planes might be flown on longer segments requiring crew rest seats, I'd expect them to be flown shorter flights to secondary UK cities such as STN, MAN, BHX, BRS, EDI, etc. Maybe DUB from BOS. I don't think those flights would hit 8 hours but perhaps some would exceed it by a few minutes.

If an international flight's block time is 8.5 hours, just how substantial must crew rest seats be? How many hours of rest do you get on an 8.5 hour flight?



The 762ERs featured two "cruddy coach seats with a footrest," 17HJ, and that plane flew all over Europe; what other crew rest facilities were there? Are 17ABHJ on today's 763s unsatisfactory for crew rest or are you talking about some other type of "cruddy coach seat?"

 

[boston]

Pretty much anywhere we go to Europe is going to be over 8 hours on the 757. Though, I suppose they could have the flights leave at 2pm and 3pm to virtually guarantee less block time built into the trip sequence.

And as far as industry leading seats, I wouldn't put it past AA to design high comfort pull out jumpseats at 2LR and two more cruddy coach seats with a footrest that passengers will continually try to upgrade themselves into if the flight falls to 7:59 on international or on domestic flights. <_<

Crew rest is scheduled at 8:hrs. Rest breaks run between 1hr-2hrs on and 8hr trip or more. Rest break time is hr or more to the descretion of the purser per contract.

 

[CubsFanJohn]

This are just an educated Guess on this one, no inside info at all. Just some analysing. I could see Barcelona Possibly going down to a 75 as I could see BRU especially with losing the SN codeshare with the 45% LH Purchase. I know this one may surprise people but I could defently see and I think AA would be smart to do this to run a JFK-CDG Daylight flight, yea the ultization would be ummm.... a little less then desriable, when AF tried it my guess is they had too much plane in the A332.
Here is what I think may end up happening
1. JFK-CDG
2. CDG-JFK
3. JFK-BCN-JFK
4. JFK-BRU-JFK
5. JFK-DUB-JFK
6. JFK-CPH-JFK
7. JFK-GVA-JFK
8. JFK-BHX-JFK
9. JFK-DUB-JFK
10. JFK-NCE-JFK Wasn't this one almost going to go for this summer?
11. ORD-MAN-ORD
12. ORD-DUB-ORD
13. ORD-EDI-ORD Seasonal most likely though.
14-16. Anyone wanna figure that out????
17. BOS-CDG-BOS Make it year round maybe???
18. Spare/Matinance

 

[eolesen]

Given that AA's already operated the 757 transatlantic on several different occasions, AA would only need to modify the CBA if they're looking beyond about 3200NM.

Personally, I see them backfilling 763's in markets out of JFK & BOS.

DL's JFK-AMS cuts in at 7:55, and that's right at about 3200NM.

JFK-CDG comes in under 3200NM, as do JFK-LIS, JFK-MAD, JFK-OSL, and anything on the British Isles & Ireland.

BOS gets you all those plus LYS, CPH, and BCN.

JFK-BCN has a 8:15 block time @ 3350 NM, and JFK-NCE has a block time of 8:45 @ 3500NM, so I don't think they're in the cards.

And just for gits & shiggles... Tahiti, Fiji, Samoa and Tonga are all within reach of HNL.

 

[Skymess]

LAX-SJU is already flown with a 757 and it's 100 miles farther than BOS-LHR. While these planes might be flown on longer segments requiring crew rest seats, I'd expect them to be flown shorter flights to secondary UK cities such as STN, MAN, BHX, BRS, EDI, etc. Maybe DUB from BOS. I don't think those flights would hit 8 hours but perhaps some would exceed it by a few minutes.

LAX SJU was a red eye. The flight time definitely plays into it from point to point but the real time comes from the taxi added into the equation. You take a red eye flight and compare it to one leaving at 5-7pm and the flight time is going to be longer.

I'm not going to be jumping on the bandwagon to fly 757 to europe. Working europe on a 767 in coach on the way home makes me want to stab myself in the eye with a number 2 pencil because nobody EVER sits down. I can't imagine it on a narrowbody flight. No thanks. LAX SJU was ok to work because everyone was sleeping. It was very difficult to do without any rest though. Just as HNL to DFW is difficult without rest as well.

If an international flight's block time is 8.5 hours, just how substantial must crew rest seats be? How many hours of rest do you get on an 8.5 hour flight?

I'm not sure of the wording on the actual rest seat that needs to be offered. Maybe someone else could chime in on that or I suppose I could try to find it out..........

The 762ERs featured two "cruddy coach seats with a footrest," 17HJ, and that plane flew all over Europe; what other crew rest facilities were there? Are 17ABHJ on today's 763s unsatisfactory for crew rest or are you talking about some other type of "cruddy coach seat?"

Those 767 crew seats are pretty cruddy (mostly because maintenance never fixes them) but those weren't what I had in mind. I was actually picturing a regular coach seat with some sort of stupid foot rest rigged up to it in order to satisfy our rest demands.

 

[MAH4546]

Sounds like heavy JFK flying to northern Europe, ORD to Ireland and the UK & Boston to Europe.

Absolutely no Boston-Europe other than replacing the 763 on Boston-Paris.

They also have the range for MIA-TFN/LIS/DUB, and none of them are outside the realm of possibility.

Look for MIA-ASU/COR and JFK-NCE/DUS (or JFK-MUC) first. But it is still a year away, and so much can change.