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[aafsc]

The judge in the UA bankruptcy case imposed a paycut almost twice what UA proposed and the AMFA did not strike (even though the members voted yes to strike).

 

[AMFAMAN]

The judge in the UA bankruptcy case imposed a paycut almost twice what UA proposed and the AMFA did not strike (even though the members voted yes to strike).

[post="248404"][/post]​

Wait till he tries to throw out the contract on a permanent case not the 4 month temporary paycut he imposed.

 

[aafsc]

Wait till he tries to throw out the contract on a permanent case not the 4 month temporary paycut he imposed.

[post="248408"][/post]​

In my opinion, it won't matter then if AMFA strikes because UA will have lined up replacements by then.

 

[Oneflyer]

a strike would have most likely been the answer

Kind of like the strike at United, huh?

 

[Oneflyer]

a strike would have most likely been the answer

So what exactly would a strike have accomplished. I guess AA would have thrown up there hands and said, "just kidding, we're not really bankrupt."

You don't strike a bankrupt company, you idiot, it just goes out of business, you strike when the company is MAKING money, because its cheaper to give in to the union than continue with the work stoppage.

That is what you don't seem to get, a union is worthless against a struggling company because a strike has much worse reprocutions to the strikers than the management running the company.

 

[AMFAMAN]

So what exactly would a strike have accomplished. I guess AA would have thrown up there hands and said, "just kidding, we're not really bankrupt."

You don't strike a bankrupt company, you idiot, it just goes out of business, you strike when the company is MAKING money, because its cheaper to give in to the union than continue with the work stoppage.

That is what you don't seem to get, a union is worthless against a struggling company because a strike has much worse reprocutions to the strikers than the management running the company.

[post="248414"][/post]​

Oh yeah, we are just suppose to laydown and take it just like the twu. If the company goes out of business because of a strike, so be it; at least we won't continually destroy the standard of living for other AMT's. What the twu brought back was an insult to the industry by destroying a contract on their own.

 

[AMFAMAN]

In my opinion, it won't matter then if AMFA strikes because UA will have lined up replacements by then.

[post="248410"][/post]​

"Replacements," I prefer the name scab for them. Yeah I'm sure Team twu will be out their scabbing.

 

[aafsc]

"Replacements," I prefer the name scab for them. Yeah I'm sure Team twu will be out their scabbing.

[post="248420"][/post]​

Ok..scabs. But I don't think that the TWU/AA represented employees will be doing maintanence on UA aircraft in the event of an AMFA strike at UA. It will probably be covered by UA management with A and Ps, contract companies who do line maintanence , and yes some UA mechanics (scabs) who will cross. We had some scabs at EAL.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Ok..scabs. But I don't think that the TWU/AA represented employees will be doing maintanence on UA aircraft in the event of an AMFA strike at UA.  It will probably be covered by UA management with A and Ps, contract companies who do line maintanence , and yes some UA mechanics (scabs) who will cross. We had some scabs at EAL.

[post="248424"][/post]​

I'd agree, the twu reference was to the "team twu" who obey managements every wish, I figure they would be the perfect scab candidates.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

This statement says it all about the EVIL TWU.

"We NEGOTIATED these LOW wages to prevent layoffs"

Ed Wilson, TWU Local 514 president, summer of 1991

What sort of union negotiates lower wages? Didn't stop the layoffs either! :rant:

 

[Hackman]

This statement says it all about the EVIL TWU.

"We NEGOTIATED these LOW wages to prevent layoffs"

Ed Wilson, TWU Local 514 president, summer of 1991

What sort of union negotiates lower wages? Didn't stop the layoffs either! :rant:

[post="248452"][/post]​

What??? We have layoffs at AA???? But, I thought industry leading twu concessions prevented that??? You mean that's a lie??? According to Cio, we have "full overhaul capabilities". We have the low pay OSM program too.

Yet, AA mechanics are on the street???? Must be some kind of twu mistake!!!!

 

[aafsc]

What??? We have layoffs at AA???? But, I thought industry leading twu concessions prevented that??? You mean that's a lie??? According to Cio, we have "full overhaul capabilities". We have the low pay OSM program too.

Yet, AA mechanics are on the street???? Must be some kind of twu mistake!!!!

[post="248531"][/post]​

True, to a certain degree. I am by no means a cheerleader for the TWU. But AA still does heavy overhaul on all it's aircraft as where UA does none and NW does it on it's airbuses only (for now). NW and UA have laid off half their mechanics with more to come (Including possibly line mechanics). In addition to laying off half their mechanics, UA and NW are demanding, and will receive (voluntarily or involuntarily) pay cuts from the mechancis that are left. It appears that at the AMFA carriers (Alaska, UA, and NW) they have reduced the number of mechanics to such an extent that the relatively few that are remaining will be insignificant if a strike occurs and can easily be replaced. Then all of the AMFA represented mechanics at these airlines will have taken a 100% cut in pay and benefits because their job has been either farmed out or they have been replaced if they strike. In my opinion, the best scenario that the remaining AMFA represented mechanics can realistically hope for is just to swallow all the outsourced work they lost and hope for the smallest paycut possible. Nevertheless, it will be interesting to see what mechanics at UA and NW do in the near future. I think that they will both cave in to the companies' demands for paycuts in order to keep their jobs and keep the dues flowing.

 

[Vortilon]

The jury is still out for the long term ramifications of all these airlines outsourcing their heavy maintenance. I see some real problems on the horizon for these 3rd party ovhl places to attract aircraft mechanics long term. Further, forget about new A & Ps entering the industry with all thats going on. A & P schools are closing nationwide, due to the fact that a successful career as an A & P is too much of a stretch. Who, in their right mind would spend $20,000.00 give or take, to earn an A & P - only to get out and make 10 bucks an hour? We will see.

 

[aafsc]

The jury is still out for the long term ramifications of all these airlines outsourcing their heavy maintenance. I see some real problems on the horizon for these 3rd party ovhl places to attract aircraft mechanics long term. Further, forget about new A & Ps entering the industry with all thats going on. A & P schools are closing nationwide, due to the fact that a successful career as an A & P is too much of a stretch. Who, in their right mind would spend $20,000.00 give or take, to earn an A & P - only to get out and make 10 bucks an hour? We will see.

[post="248601"][/post]​

You are right regarding the long term. But what is happening at UA and NW is short term (within this year). And we all know that corporate management, especially airline managements, are incapable of thinking long term.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

I would rather be laid off than work for $10-$15 an hour as an A&P, which is where we are headed at AA because of the EVIL TWU! :down: I'll go back to working on cars before I will work for TEMPCO or PIMPCO. At least in the automotive world, a mechanic gets some respect.