More Filth & Lack Of Upkeep

[jimcfs]

Yup, and guess who gets nervous when they see duct tape, broken interior items and filth?

Leisure travelers; Parker’s stated new target customer.

Two things come to mind when I first heard about this from Van, and later saw the pictures. Both of these have been said about this outfit time and time again.

1. The high cost of cheap.
2. You can't put lipstick on a pig.

Gee, it was sure squealing from ORD the other night.

 

[N924PS]

But, that extra little love and nudge out the cabin door is what we need....but I'm not sure it's what you need...I would guess the airline could use all the VFF and High Yield pax you can get....or am I wrong? Hefty garbage bag totin' pax who travel once a year and whore themselves out to the lowest bidder might make more sense, right?

Well, let's see. In your original post you said there were only two reasons to fly USAirways.

1) Dirt Cheap

2) ONLY when there is no other way..

Other airlines fly from PVD to Chicago. Obviously you were flying for reason 1. How is that Hefty Luggage and lowest bidder thing working out for you?

By the way. I flew on USAirways 5 days last week and was treated to brand new blue leather interiors, clean airplanes, and no duct tape anywhere to be seen (except on some Hefty trash bags the Kettles were carrying).

Hugs.

 

[signals]

OK so these planes are falling apart and in shambles. They're dirty and filthy and stink because a pax stuck a diaper in between the seats and it has been there for months. Yada yada yada...

So US lacks mainenance and cleaning crews? Let's go to the bottom line and see who really is to blame.

Are the maintenance crews doing their jobs? Are they inspecting what needs to be inspected, or are they waiting for an incident that warrants an investigation. Cutbacks? Perhaps, but when are cutbacks the real culprits of airline safety.

I tend to think that people are Lax or Lazy by nature and sometimes are involved in a routine that makes them overlook or 'band-aid' the situation. How about the cleaning crews? Are they doing a thorough interior cleaning and checking every nook-and-cranny or are they cutting corners?

The only way you can really blame the company is if it is the end of their fiscal year and forced to cut spending. If maintenance and cleaning crews still have a job at the end of the fiscal year then let's give credit where credit is due.

I can't believe that writing and complaining to the Sandcastle doesn't get results. Yet they continue to fly. And they continue to fill flights. And the planes are looking newer.

At least they don't force you to sit in the lavatory like B6.

 

[DrBeth]

Well, let's see. In your original post you said there were only two reasons to fly USAirways.

1) Dirt Cheap

2) ONLY when there is no other way..

Other airlines fly from PVD to Chicago. Obviously you were flying for reason 1. How is that Hefty Luggage and lowest bidder thing working out for you?

By the way. I flew on USAirways 5 days last week and was treated to brand new blue leather interiors, clean airplanes, and no duct tape anywhere to be seen (except on some Hefty trash bags the Kettles were carrying).

Hugs.

Glad to hear that your experiences have been stellar!

However, even passengers who occasionally pay ridiculously low fares and fly based on schedule to short-haul destinations should expect a clean and safe cabin environment on EVERY flight.

The new blue and blue/gray seat covers are indeed nicer, but they are hiding, uh, covering the same seats. Now that is the perfect example of lipstick on a pig if I ever saw one.

 

[dexter]

First off I cannot believe they just didn't chain it or duct tape it and have passenger leave the aircraft. That is the norm. You cannot blame maintenance as they are probably told to ignore and get the flight out on time. This new company of ours would tape a seat and evict a passenger before taking a delay on a flight.

 

[N924PS]

Hey 700UW-

Don't they overhaul the seats before they are reupholstered?

 

[DrBeth]

If they do overhaul them prior, then they missed one. Last night on my A321 flight from CLT-LGA, my newly upholstered seat 1A started reclining on its own when we took off, but luckily it stopped before I became horizontal! And NO, I am not a person of size!

 

[signals]

First off I cannot believe they just didn't chain it or duct tape it and have passenger leave the aircraft. That is the norm. You cannot blame maintenance as they are probably told to ignore and get the flight out on time. This new company of ours would tape a seat and evict a passenger before taking a delay on a flight.

I actually understand that management can sometimes 'force' you to get an aircraft ready asap by any means. But the responsibility always will fall on those in charge of inspecting and maintaining. I was told by my company to do things that were outright illegal and the company made it clear that they would deny any knowledge. I refused and that was the end of it. I still had a job. They can't retaliate because it was illegal and they proposed this to other employees . If the company is telling you to 'ignore', you might want to study law, because the responsibility is on you for ignoring not on them for 'suggesting' it.

If this happens everywhere then get all the people who are told to ignore and report them to the DOL, FAA, NTSB, DOT, etc.

By law you can't lose your job for doing your job, but mainenance can be charged if they are the ones who overlooked a safety requirement.

 

[jimcfs]

First off I cannot believe they just didn't chain it or duct tape it and have passenger leave the aircraft. That is the norm. You cannot blame maintenance as they are probably told to ignore and get the flight out on time. This new company of ours would tape a seat and evict a passenger before taking a delay on a flight.

Yeah, right, sure. I can't believe they'd kick off a CP. Then again with the mentality of this outfit, anything is possible. :blink:

At least they had another FC seat available for Van. But having that seat available also tells one many things about the state of things at US.

 

[700UW]

Hey 700UW-

Don't they overhaul the seats before they are reupholstered?

Seats are not like your seats at home, they are an aluminum frame with a cushion on the back and a cushion on the bottom with covers.

No they are not overhauled everytime a cover or cushion is changed.

 

[ussnark]

Seats are not like your seats at home, they are an aluminum frame with a cushion on the back and a cushion on the bottom with covers.

No they are not overhauled everytime a cover or cushion is changed.

N924PS actually thinks he is personally "saving" the airline by carrying write-ups, hoping they will be "fixed" before it becomes a "problem".

As a commuter, I write things up and pass items to the crew. N924PS has been one of the few who does not document problems in the log book (thinking he will "save" the airline?)

Personally, I feel people like him have actually caused the airline to decline. It is really not managements fault. I feel it is the pilots' fault for not establishing a paper trail and not following up.

For instance. Few seem to know that, in an airbus cockpit, should a seat covering be torn and foam particles be "under" the tear, on the floor, whatever, that airplane will be grounded for a series of inspections, including tearing apart and cleaning the pedestal, etc. It is a major fire hazard, yet, I have had to follow up outside the "chain of command" because no one seems to understand the problem, or care.

Tempe, IMO, is a disaster looking for a place to impact.

 

[Travels2mch]

That’s exactly what the high-yield customers are doing. Good luck with your revolving door of Kettles.

I'm on WN to Chicago myself on Monday.....did Delta and Continental last week. It's actually pretty refreshing being on clean airplanes and seeing nice airline employees......such a difference than this trashbag of an airline.

 

[700UW]

Seats are made out of flame resistant material, especially after the Air Canada Fire in the DC-9 in CVG years ago.

 

[flybynite]

Tempe doesn't give a happy damn.

Their "safety personnel" ( and I'm using the term loosely ) are inexperienced and are toeing the company line.

When they first refigured the A321, they pulled the closets (which also held our emergency equipment as well as first aid equipment and O2 bottles. (oxygen) Not to mention video equipment as well.

Then they realized they needed to keep the O2 bottles up front "somewhere". (As is required by the FAA) So they decided to park them over the ovens in an atlas carrier!! Then they needed to find a place for the fire extinguishers. (as is required by the FAA) So they mounted them on the wall opposite the ovens. ( get a fire in the oven...can't reach through the fire to get to said Halons )

The dumbasses had just created a fire hazard and a bomb and with no means to get to the fire extinguishers. The FAA flipped out and made them move everything. Thank you lord. Thank you Jesus for the FAA. The AFA raised bloody hell, don't know about ALPA.

So it comes as no surprise to me that they ( the company ) are allowing things to slide.

But don't worry. Our F/A's, pilots and our mechanics are making sure we're safe. It's the cosmetics that are making us look bad.

The 737's look like hell. But I guess they don't give a damn because they will be going away soon. I hate it. They're great planes.

 

[ussnark]

Seats are made out of flame resistant material, especially after the Air Canada Fire in the DC-9 in CVG years ago.

Are we talking about the covering material or the foam underlayment? Check the regs. I am pretty certain you are wrong.