Michigan Right to Work

[southwind]

Even though in a right to work state, Barry-O, it didn't stop ramp and FA's, at DL, from voting yea or nay for a union !
Guess they weren't buying what the union was selling !

 

[delldude]

" A nail in the union coffin" .............
dellI is RIGHT !
Lets make NO mistake about this Michigan 'thing. Though I believe over time(some years) it 'could' be repealed, it nonetheless was a Big step backward for organized labor in the US, especially with the UAW in Michigan, more than anywhere else they are.

NOW, with that said, what has organized labor LEARNED from this. First and foremost, I doubt we'll EVER see this happen again in REAL union areas.

You haven't seen the last of union violence. People will die and that will be the straw that broke the unions back. Its coming.

 

[737823]

Even though in a right to work state, Barry-O, it didn't stop ramp and FA's, at DL, from voting yea or nay for a union !
Guess they weren't buying what the union was selling !

Indeed but sadly is a union is certified at an employer under the RLA in an otherwise RTW state like DL, GA, TX and others union membership is still imposed on those workers sadly. Looks like Connecticut is also considering RTW! Hopefully New Hampshire isn't far behind either.

Josh

 

[TWU informer]

When is organized labor leaders and the AFL-CIO going to admit that they are running a failing strategy by reliance upon political campaign financing and lobbying?

Truth is the unelected, unaccountable, idiots do not have what it takes to be real union leaders. They are cowards, full of threats and buzz words.

Dismantle to the AFL-CIO, dismantle the campaign financing, and stop assaulting those that disagree with your position. Go back the old method of witholding production and shut the economy down. Only then will you begin to advance and stop retreating.

 

[Dog Wonder]

^ Absolutley not public sector unions should be illegal, talk about the Fox & the Hen House!

But think of the reductions in the size of government if job killing unions took over.

 

[Ms Tree]

Are right to work states also " at will" states? Do they go hand in hand or can states have one but not the other? We have both and I have confused them in an earlier post

I believe they are one and the same.

 

[Ms Tree]

I am always amazed at the vehemently anti-union folks. As I said before, the unions in their present form are not the answer but that people believe the market and companies will take care of their employees is the epitome of ignorance. As if the world is replete with examples of companies doing the right thing and treating their employees well.

Take one look at who is against unions and you can see it's not a good idea.

I would rather see regulations put in place that govern how unions are run and organized. I would not mind seeing union leaders pay capped and directly tied to performance, term limits, direct elections on a regular basis, no political campaign donations, direct election for voting them out completely or replacing them just to name a few things. Seems like this would be a union that is more representative of the employees rather than a money making proposition for the leadership.

While not a fan of unions I would still have my job if I did have one and AA would not have been able to can me on some BS crap because I pissed off the wrong person. The kicker is the person I pissed off was a APFA union rep. The irony.

 

[Kev3188]

When is organized labor leaders and the AFL-CIO going to admit that they are running a failing strategy by reliance upon political campaign financing and lobbying?

The better question is; when are the rank and file going to demand that they do that?

Truth is the unelected, unaccountable, idiots do not have what it takes to be real union leaders. They are cowards, full of threats and buzz words.

There are some true visionary leaders at the local/district level. Problem is that they often get crushed by the ambitions of those higher up. Just using you as an example, I'm sure there are some people in your shop (or other buildings) that could really make a difference if given a chance, but why bother when they know that will run counter to the Bubba club, Little, etc.?

Dismantle to the AFL-CIO, dismantle the campaign financing, and stop assaulting those that disagree with your position. Go back the old method of witholding production and shut the economy down. Only then will you begin to advance and stop retreating.

+1

Direct action works. Consistently caving in under the auspice of "cooperation" does not.

I am always amazed at the vehemently anti-union folks.

I'm not. It's a testament to just how effectively they've been marketed to...

I would rather see regulations put in place that govern how unions are run and organized. I would not mind seeing union leaders pay capped and directly tied to performance, term limits, direct elections on a regular basis, no political campaign donations, direct election for voting them out completely or replacing them just to name a few things. Seems like this would be a union that is more representative of the employees rather than a money making proposition for the leadership.

All good ideas, and I think we're starting to see that in locals/facilities/shops here and there. It needs to hit critical mass, though.

 

[UPNAWAY]

But think of the reductions in the size of government if job killing unions took over.

Nice try but boy are you missing the boat, government doesn't have to compete in the market and they have never ending revenue streams (or so they seem to think) so they just keep giving public sector employees outragious salraies and benefits in exchange for campaign money, workers and votes.

 

[southwind]

But think of the reductions in the size of government if job killing unions took over.

Only reason public sector unions stay in business is because their employer has an open checkbook !

 

[Dog Wonder]

Government jobs are immune to unions killing them off?

 

[Dog Wonder]

Anyone that thinks unions protect jobs is a fool!

 

[signals]

Only reason public sector unions stay in business is because their employer has an open checkbook !

Not true. Governments are making cuts and you just don't see them. If you don't understand politics, you can't understand why unions are needed. Your masters are constantly changing and their affiliations may not be yours. People do get terminated for minor things. I guess they deserved it in your book, because you're looking at it from your point of view and taking things for granted.

The best way to cut your taxes is to take your own garbage to the dump and get charged accordingly. Then when you bring illegal trash(paints appliances solvents needles etc.) you can pay the fine.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

" In fact, public-sector employment (i.e. federal, state, and local government jobs) declined in 10 of the past 12 months, in sharp contrast to 29 consecutive months of private-sector job growth. Indeed, falling public employment has been among the largest contributors to unemployment in the United States since the end of the Great Recession."

I guess we need another Republican president to bring back more big government. The charts show a big reason why the unemployment numbers were stagnant over the last 4 years.

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/jobs/posts/2012/08/03-jobs-greenstone-looney

 

[delldude]

" In fact, public-sector employment (i.e. federal, state, and local government jobs) declined in 10 of the past 12 months, in sharp contrast to 29 consecutive months of private-sector job growth. Indeed, falling public employment has been among the largest contributors to unemployment in the United States since the end of the Great Recession."

I guess we need another Republican president to bring back more big government. The charts show a big reason why the unemployment numbers were stagnant over the last 4 years.

http://www.brookings...eenstone-looney

Yeah, due to age related retirements.
Still Obama had added some 192,000.