Media Day Picket a success!

[700UW]

If you dont have Flight Attendants you cant fly revenue flights.

And CHAOS works better then a general strike.

Just like when we the IAM M&R went on strike in October of 92 the company was forced to ground all the 737-200s, F100s, F28s-, DC-9s and MD-80s.

It is an effective tool to force the company to settle.

 

[AstroLounge]

Keep thinking those happy thoughts. Your union is weak just like most the unions in the US. As for bringing the company to a stand still I doubt it.

And along with the 'toxic koolaid' You insist on drinking, shall WE assume Brainwashing and Hypnosis is ongoing at the Sandcastle? Don't think for a minute that ANY type of Concession would be viable.............East or West. Delusional.

 

[beachboy]

Interesting to see the people who crawl out from under the rock when the company's feathers are ruffled. Did the mean Flight attendants make you take your catered event full of BS inside? Oh those mean mean flight attendants! 🙄 I did hear from a few inside HQ that they were furious. Awwww... you mean the Corp officers didn't put that on twitter? Calling the UNIONIZED police force represented by International Association of Firefighters Unit 493 to remove the UNION Flight Attendants from public property...lol Morons. Then again they are on Twitter now. Great- Twits sending out Tweets.

 

[Dilligas]

I am sorry to say that the only thing you succeeded in doing is providing yourself a false sence of accomplishment. The public really does not care and management will do as they please. As far as work stoppages I doubt you will be released to pursue that avenue and any such action would be illegal.

Sadly, this is the reality of your situation. Think about the statements above.

Take it from a longtime veteran, it's not about "emotion" and feel good moral victories. It's just business, folks... nothing personal. Wearing cool t-shirts and yelling and waving posters is quite amusing to your corporate masters who chuckle at the easily manipulated masses who think they are actually accomplishing something with their outbursts and feel good rallies. Your union corporate bosses know these performances accomplish nothing towards achieving just contracts and improvements, yet it is a convenient and easy way to con their membership into believing they have a voice and any degree of power in today's corporate life. If you think your union gives a damn about you, I must say you are very naive. You are simply a unit of dues production, unions are as capitalistic, exploitive, and heartless as corporate America and are complicit with the globalist agenda and destruction of the American middle class.

These displays mean zero, zilch, nada, nothing to your corporate bosses, and less than that to your customers. (And please keep in mind, I'm on your side... I'm a member of a "union", a rather impotent and ineffective one, as most are these days. We face a very difficult future, this is an extremely vulnerable industry and you will NEVER have job security nor a promising financial future "working for the man" at this company.) If you are under 30, by all means get out as quick as you can find a decent job in a less volatile industry. If you are over 40, better hang on at all costs because no one wants to hire you at all, so ride this pig into the sunset. (Talk about some mixed metaphors...) 😀

Airline management sees you as a cost unit they would love to be rid of if possible, and if they could do so, they would outsource every job they could to the lowest bidder. That not being possible in all cases (yet), they will keep your pay and benefits as low as they possibly can, you need to rid yourselves of any notion of fairness, justice, being made whole after givebacks, etc.

I know it sucks, but it is what it is. The Railway Labor Act, which governs your CBA's, limits the union options and I get the impression from reading some of the comments on here that not a lot of younger folks have any idea of what must take place, what "power" they might be able to wield, etc. Please don't waste another hour of your life trying to win the "public" to your cause. In case you haven't noticed, this entire country is teetering at the very brink of insolvency, the foreclosure train is still rolling strong, there are no new jobs of any significance on the horizon coming to this nation, and times are grim. No one gives a rat's butt about our employment issues.

It's a battle simply to survive these days, and I anticipate we haven't seen the WORST of it yet.

Plan for the worst, and hope for the best.

 

[malikie]

And along with the 'toxic koolaid' You insist on drinking, shall WE assume Brainwashing and Hypnosis is ongoing at the Sandcastle? Don't think for a minute that ANY type of Concession would be viable.............East or West. Delusional.

Just because I think unions are bad do not take that as I am a pro company man either because I am not.Brainwashing and hypnosis is more a union thing by the way. I see more the union memebrs are the ones who have no orriginal thought or able to act on their own. Plus I am in PIttsburgh not Tempe.

 

[700UW]

Unions are bad?

The people that brought you the 40 hour work week.

The people that brought the child labor laws

The people that brought safety in the workplace

The people gave their lives in order for us to join a union

The people that brought you pensions

The people that brought you a living wage

Shall I continue?

By the way, why is it ok for Doug and the Executives to have a contract and not the rank and file?

 

[Dilligas]

Just because I think unions are bad do not take that as I am a pro company man either because I am not.Brainwashing and hypnosis is more a union thing by the way. I see more the union memebrs are the ones who have no orriginal thought or able to act on their own. Plus I am in PIttsburgh not Tempe.

Unions are not inherently bad.

IMO, unions do an very poor job of communication as to the positive changes brought to the American workplace by organized labor.

Also I believe many unions lost their soul and lost sight of their original purpose and have been corrupted by human greed.

The general public and the typical non union airline employee have little awareness of what union labor has won for them. That's the union's fault.

While I agree with your statement about the ineffectiveness of "media day protests", I believe unions definitely have a place in this industry and especially at this company.

I must concede your point about the manipulation and brainwashing of some union members, but in fairness I hope you will acknowledge the company uses the same tactics to divide and manipulate the employee groups (both union and non union).

 

[beachboy]

The sad part is half these people hating unions had parents or grandparents that were in a union. That gave them the means to send them to college and get the masters to become a CEO, CFO or VP. Really disgusting to me. In this country the middle class may very well disappear. It will be the poor vs the wealthy. Kiss the middle class buh bye if you keep up that attitude. Horrible bunch of misinformed idiots. You are killing the American Dream. Sleep well on that.

 

[freedom]

Sadly, this is the reality of your situation. Think about the statements above.

Take it from a longtime veteran, it's not about "emotion" and feel good moral victories. It's just business, folks... nothing personal. Wearing cool t-shirts and yelling and waving posters is quite amusing to your corporate masters who chuckle at the easily manipulated masses who think they are actually accomplishing something with their outbursts and feel good rallies. Your union corporate bosses know these performances accomplish nothing towards achieving just contracts and improvements, yet it is a convenient and easy way to con their membership into believing they have a voice and any degree of power in today's corporate life. If you think your union gives a damn about you, I must say you are very naive. You are simply a unit of dues production, unions are as capitalistic, exploitive, and heartless as corporate America and are complicit with the globalist agenda and destruction of the American middle class.

These displays mean zero, zilch, nada, nothing to your corporate bosses, and less than that to your customers. (And please keep in mind, I'm on your side... I'm a member of a "union", a rather impotent and ineffective one, as most are these days. We face a very difficult future, this is an extremely vulnerable industry and you will NEVER have job security nor a promising financial future "working for the man" at this company.) If you are under 30, by all means get out as quick as you can find a decent job in a less volatile industry. If you are over 40, better hang on at all costs because no one wants to hire you at all, so ride this pig into the sunset. (Talk about some mixed metaphors...) 😀

Airline management sees you as a cost unit they would love to be rid of if possible, and if they could do so, they would outsource every job they could to the lowest bidder. That not being possible in all cases (yet), they will keep your pay and benefits as low as they possibly can, you need to rid yourselves of any notion of fairness, justice, being made whole after givebacks, etc.

I know it sucks, but it is what it is. The Railway Labor Act, which governs your CBA's, limits the union options and I get the impression from reading some of the comments on here that not a lot of younger folks have any idea of what must take place, what "power" they might be able to wield, etc. Please don't waste another hour of your life trying to win the "public" to your cause. In case you haven't noticed, this entire country is teetering at the very brink of insolvency, the foreclosure train is still rolling strong, there are no new jobs of any significance on the horizon coming to this nation, and times are grim. No one gives a rat's butt about our employment issues.

It's a battle simply to survive these days, and I anticipate we haven't seen the WORST of it yet.

Plan for the worst, and hope for the best.

wow you really hit the nail on the head ... yep you said about all the things that i didn't think would be PC to say on this message board , yet was secretly thinking in my head ..if i could clap my hands together and you could hear me , i would be doing so now ....

i don't want the pilots or FA's to think that i hate them or have any ill will against them , i'm simply a realist ..

 

[galley princess]

As one said, "business is business".

I agree. Therefore, all of this emotional anti union ranting is really irrelevant.

I, as well as enough other f/as are moving toward where we can legally make your life difficult.

It takes time. That's okay. We have waited five years already.

We have to go through the motions, just like you do, but eventually the NMB will see exactly what we have seen for five years.

Intransigence, lack of good faith bargaining and the delusional belief that somehow you're going to get a large group to work for less than industry standard because?????

Once the CHAOS vote takes place, the public will take a bit of notice, because frankly, people are self absorbed, and their "notice" will take the form of avoidance, "isn't that the airline that is going to have random strikes?" Time off is precious, no one is going to willingly risk their vacation on an airline that has active labor issues. Ditto for the business traveller. Ticket sales will fall. PR will sink. Wait until the first CHAOS cancellation in Tel Aviv. That will be fun to watch.

Much cheaper to deal, but then we are dealing with the "trip over a dime to get a penny bunch."

Okay.

 

[ExPit]

"Currently there are only two westies left in the scheduloing department. One coordinator, which would be me, and one scheduler." ~From another one of your comments on another thread.

Is it possible you just don't want us to CHAOS since it will cause you all sorts of problems in scheduling and as an employee formerly based in Phoenix, you have no sympathy for flight attendants at all?

 

[Travelpro72]

The terrible unions practically built this country and many of your relatives were most likely union in the past. This great country is in trouble....SERIOUS trouble. Enough about that.....

The company stomped their feed and took their party inside due to the terrible flight attendants. Well you haven't seen anything yet Tempe. Then to call the "union" cops as stated to try and remove the flight attendants from the property that is PUBLIC? What a bunch of idiots. Ya look more stupid everyday. Not only to the employees but to the rest of the industry. Keep up the good work. CHEERS! ! ! !

 

[VAflyGal]

If you think our main goal of any of our demonstrations (and especially Media Day) is to garner public empathy, you are mistaken. We realize Joe Public would rather fly on an aircraft with a hole in the fuselage flown by a 20 year old who has NO work rules, little training and experience because the ticket is cheap. We get that the public may look at us with some level of disdain -
Our mission is to shoe management we are unified and are serious about taking it to the wall - we will strike. Let me say it again. We Will Strike and the post above about the public booking elsewhere is exactly where it will start. Time to hit them in the pocketbook. God knows my pocketbook has been hit with this crap.

We aren't kidding around. Wait and see. The mediator is a former pilot who has already expressed his displeasure with the insult of a proposal in December.

You shouldn't doubt our strenght and will. We have had enough and will shut this place right down if we are forced to do it.

 

[freedom]

If you think our main goal of any of our demonstrations (and especially Media Day) is to garner public empathy, you are mistaken. We realize Joe Public would rather fly on an aircraft with a hole in the fuselage flown by a 20 year old who has NO work rules, little training and experience because the ticket is cheap. We get that the public may look at us with some level of disdain -
Our mission is to shoe management we are unified and are serious about taking it to the wall - we will strike. Let me say it again. We Will Strike and the post above about the public booking elsewhere is exactly where it will start. Time to hit them in the pocketbook. God knows my pocketbook has been hit with this crap.

We aren't kidding around. Wait and see. The mediator is a former pilot who has already expressed his displeasure with the insult of a proposal in December.

You shouldn't doubt our strenght and will. We have had enough and will shut this place right down if we are forced to do it.

How can anyone beleive you ? i'm in a union , and our contract is coming up for discussion .. i can tell you point blank no one in my work group would endorse a strike ...i think it's safe to say the same goes for every work group ...Sure the reserves MIGHT be angry enough to take some sort of action , but then again they might not ... it's one thing for the junior people to stick their necks out , but they won't do it alone ... and i simply can't see the senior workers supporting the junior workers , not when it could jepordize their jobs ...

The economy has everyone terrfied , decent employment is almost impossible to find unless you "know" someone , and everyone is aware of this ..

 

[UPNAWAY]

Union folks are easy to manipulate because they have been manipulated all along by their own unions. It is now almost completely pointless to be in one and the reason membership is 7% and falling!

I do find it very strange to find any union member that actually likes their union, but they all still love the idea of being in one despite the complete lack of benefits related to cost!