Mda Pilot Class & Ted

[ClueByFour]

For those at United who doubt my comments on this potential asset sale, I suggest you ask United ALPA officials what they have heard about this report.

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Mind you, these are the same UA ALPA officials who have been laughing at you after every one of your "gloom and doom--we at US will steal UA's flying" predictions has fallen flat.

Bronner will buy UA assets--how did that go, anyway?

UA won't emerge. Eh?

"Project minnow"--got swallowed like a goldfish next to an angry cat.

Cosmo's comments are accurate. Unlike US, you don't UA doing last-second leasebacks and the like, nor turning to the hedge-fund market for financing.

 

[Mike]

The Republic deal has not officially been cancelled. However the three 170's originally slated to go to RJET in October, will not be leaving the USAirways operating certificate at this time. All Republic classes to be held Sept/Oct have been cancelled as well. The transaction however has not....

Left up to the AAA MEC, MDA and the Embraer 170's would be "donated" to RJET just to be rid of a small group of pilots with a particular amount of pride and integrity......

ALL OR NONE!

SH

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Other very high sources state that all the Captain positions have been filled from the APL list. The F/O side is not complete. According to Phil Osterhouse (sp) if they exhaust the APL list they can go to other sources. There has been no confirmation that the Sept. 27 class has been cancelled other than rumor.

 

[SoldWholeSale]

That was the story a week ago, they had gotten enough pilots willing to take work from the MDA crews to fill the classes.

However, the timeline and cost preclude that from happening. To train crews not currently qualified in the 170 would cost RJET an extra $12 million, not to mention at least a 45 day delay time between training crews and taking delivery of aircraft.

The Republic classes for Sept/Oct have been cancelled. The three airframe scheduled to depart MDA in October are NOT leaving the USAirways certificate.

P.O. is professional ALPA, he is a puppet to the MEC Chairman who wants MDA gone ASAP to further his personal agenda. Of coarse he is spreading disinformation.

ALL OR NONE!

SH

 

[SoldWholeSale]

PS. Were it the case that the Republic classes were filled, would they have really been calling the bottom 15 MDA first officers to confirm they had gotten their furlough packetts and in the same call offering them Republic "Captain" positions???? Common, give me a break!

The company is trying to pull a rabbit out of its hat the union its head out of its a$$..... I hope the legal procedings pending against the pilots union force them into following the airlines they represent into Chapter 11.....

ALL OR NONE!

SH

 

[Swaayze]

Got the "last chance" letter for J4J FO positions at Republic in the mail today, so I would presume that all the CO positions were filled by MDA &/or APL pilots. Obviously they weren't able to fill all the FO slots from these sources.

FWIW

PS. Were it the case that the Republic classes were filled, would they have really been calling the bottom 15 MDA first officers to confirm they had gotten their furlough packetts and in the same call offering them Republic "Captain" positions???? Common, give me a break!

The company is trying to pull a rabbit out of its hat the union its head out of its a$$..... I hope the legal procedings pending against the pilots union force them into following the airlines they represent into Chapter 11.....

ALL OR NONE!

SH

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[fr8tmastr]

That's interesting. I'm at MDA and I never got my second chance letter. Just the 1 take the captain position offer. My answer then as now.... NO

ALL OR NONE!!!

 

[USA320Pilot]

PineyBob:

Your comments are accurate. For those United employees who doubt my comments go ask your own ALPA officials about the report.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[700UW]

I guess common sense does not prevail.

US is returning Airbii to GE, why would US turnaround and get planes that are not common to the fleet?

And the routes TED flies can be flown by any airline and the routes are not for sale as anyone can compete against TED and the routes they fly if they want.

TED has no assets, it is all part of UAL, no seperate contracts, nor a seperate operating certificate.

Just more rumor mongering from you know who.

 

[robbedagain]

Why would US want to buy TED and what is the significance of it? byt the way what aircraft does ted fly?

 

[Furloughedagain]

What would happen if the Airbus narrowbody fleet was being sold (it's an asset sale, not a change of control) to Republic?

What if the Airbus crews had the option of being furloughed or going to Republic?

Would there be outrage? Why is this any different?

There is one bankrtupcy/liquidation in the airline industry that I am anxiously waiting for.

ALPA.

 

[USA320Pilot]

US Airways was forced to return the aircraft to GECAS, it was not that it wanted to. In fact, during LOA 91 & LOA 93 discussions GECAS spoke directly to the ALPA MEC and said that without an agreement the financier would begin removing equipment. Then when the MEC rejected the September 6 proposal the 279 minimum fleet count was lost because GECAS directed senior management to pull it to maintain the financiers support. Every labor group knew this was a risk but refused to listen to either GECAS or management.

In regard to TED and its A320s, it’s the assets that are for sale, and a key is the 15% fragmentation clause, which eliminates a thorny labor problem. As PineyBob said, “Whether it's TED or not remains to be seenâ€￾, but I understand TED is a leading M&A candidate. This is no different than when I said MDA was up for sale or there was a 150-count minimum fleet plan and a certain prolific poster accused me “rumor mongeringâ€￾. Well…guess what…

As a union member or leader the person's responsibility is to get the best deal possible, always, to protect the member's. It's not to be antagonistic or use the "just say no" approach during a downward cycle to give up more. A union leader needs to protect versus hurt the membership, but clearly that was not done here at US Airways.

Regards,

USA320pilot

 

[Fly]

I thought pilots had to undergo psychological testing?!?

There is NO way United is selling off Ted to US. Just use logic people. After almost 3 years (and maintaing their route structure) in bk do you honestly believe they will fold now that they have REAL exit financing (as opposed to the hock till you drop method at US)? I'll humor you this way USA320tooconsumedwithunitedPilot, if Ted is being sold, it isn't worth crap (which brings me back to my point earlier, US mgmt is bound to bring you all back to bk). If United is selling it, it has no value and US just got taken.......again. (Don't forget, United hasn't seperated Ted from United, so only United knows if it is really valuable)

Happy flying.

 

[ClueByFour]

In regard to TED and its A320s, it’s the assets that are for sale, and a key is the 15% fragmentation clause, which eliminates a thorny labor problem. As PineyBob said, “Whether it's TED or not remains to be seenâ€￾, but I understand TED is a leading M&A candidate. This is no different than when I said MDA was up for sale or there was a 150-count minimum fleet plan and a certain prolific poster accused me “rumor mongeringâ€￾. Well…guess what…

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Your analogy is wrong. This is like when you said that Bronner would acquire UA assets or when you said that US would swallow UA.

Neither of them happened. You are bitter over the "widebody left seat issue." Let it go.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Clue:

I never said any potential corporate transaction would occur. In every post I said something like “Will it occur? Maybe, maybe not. Is it being discussed between the executive suites? Yes it is.â€￾ In regard to Bronner saying he was interested in buying UA assets for US, if you remember he made those comments in three separate interviews that was later reported in the news media as “Project Minnowâ€￾. Did you miss that report too or are you purposefully misrepresenting information again?

Or are you just being your normal misinformed -- antagonistic self? Would I like to fly a widebody? Yes and since the America West pilots do not have that in their career expectation I’m just a couple of years away from that. What’s interesting is that I have made a lot more money at US than if I had stayed at UA, which along with quality of life is more important to me.

Regardless, United is shopping around assets and I have heard 3 independent reports outside of US Airways that they may sell TED. Will it occur? I do not know. Is it being discussed? Yesiree.

Clue, by the way, who first said that MDA and/or PSA could be sold and was chastised by the normal naysayer’s and then low and behold it happened? Yes, Yes, I know, they cannot sell MDA, right?

By the way, for people like Fly, Cosmo, Busdrvr and others, if there is not merit to my report than why even waste the time to post a message o the subject?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[robbedagain]

would UAL a large amnt of money for the TED and its planes?