Mda Pilot Class & Ted

[USA320Pilot]

Here's an interesting report I heard from two different sources today. United has been in discussions to sell the Pacific Division.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[ClueByFour]

Here's an interesting report I heard from two different sources today. United has been in discussions to sell the Pacific Division.

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Do tell the tooth fairy and Santa "Hi from USAviation" next time you have them on the jumpseat.

(why UA would part with what's probably the most part of the operation is beyond most sane observers, but hey, why let that get in the way of a good rumor)

 

[USA320Pilot]

Clue:

Cash...by the way, how did United obtain the Pacific Division and what was the reason for the asset sale?

What's your opinion of the news media reports of "Project Minnow" and who first publicly spoke of this potential "Interesting Corporate Transaction"?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[Cosmo]

Here's an interesting report I heard from two different sources today. United has been in discussions to sell the Pacific Division.

So where's the "report" that you mentioned? And I suppose that the "sale" of TED is off now?

If it wasn't clear before, it's perfectly clear now that you're just making this stuff up and you haven't a clue (sorry, ClueByFour 😉 ) about what's really going on with United. You're looking more and more foolish with each reply you make on this subject.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Cosmo:

Did I make up the 2000 US Airways - United merger when I briefed the US Airways ALPA MEC on the deal on March 3, 2000 during the meeting to decide whether or not to send out LOA 79 with a MEC recommendation?

Did I make up the United - US Airways AMR carve out on December 23, 2000, 17 days before the agreement between United, US Airways, and AMR was announced?

Did I make up the fact that RSA was interested in buying United assets for US Airways before US Airways' former chairman David Bronner confirmed my report in three separate interviews?

Did I make up the "Interesting Corporate Transaction" and then the news media broke the report on "Project Minnow", where US Airways was negotiating with United where the former Arlington-based carrier was in discussion to buy United assets?

Guess what? I'm not making up the potential TED or Pacific Division sale either. Will it occur? I do not know. Is it being discussed? Yesiree.

What's the United employee problem? Very poor ALPA fragmentation language, but guess why management sought such a deep employee scope concession?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[Cosmo]

What's the United employee problem?

If you can't get it through your incredibly thick skull that I'm NOT a United employee, pilot or otherwise, despite telling you just that on occasions too numerous to count, why would you expect me or anybody else to believe anything you say about United? You also seem to have some pathological need to continually make self-aggrandizing statements that do nothing to restore your credibility with other posters. Plus you appear to need to get in the last word in all of these discussions, as if that makes your "argument" stronger. What's up with that?

You're a one-trick pony that doesn't know when to stop making a fool of himself!

 

[Cosmo]

Did I make up the "Interesting Corporate Transaction" and then the news media broke the report on "Project Minnow", where US Airways was negotiating with United where the former Arlington-based carrier was in discussion to buy United assets?

That's revisionist history, and you know it. The news reports also mentioned that United told US Airways what it could do with its "Project Minnow" but you seem to overlook that aspect of the story. How could that be?

 

[Cosmo]

And one more thing, just to be sure that everybody understands your history on this subject. While you have pointed to articles that said that Bronner, or Seigel, or US Airways generally, was interested in acquiring some of United's assets, you have NEVER, EVER provided even one shred of evidence on this board that United was interested in such an asset sale. For someone with so many "secret, inside" sources and so much "inside" information, how can that be? Until you can rectify that situation, I think you should simply stop your unsubstantiated rumor-mongering!

Or to once again use your favorite fractured syntax, when would now be a good time for you to put up or shut up?

 

[FWAAA]

Here's an interesting report I heard from two different sources today. United has been in discussions to sell the Pacific Division.

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Wonder if LCC has been discussing such a purchase. B)

To add to the list, here are some more:

AA has been in discussions to sell American Eagle; NW has been in discussions to sell its Pacific Division, and DL has been in discussions to sell its SLC hub. 😀

 

[ClueByFour]

What's your opinion of the news media reports of "Project Minnow" and who first publicly spoke of this potential "Interesting Corporate Transaction"?

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Like so many other things you predict, nothing came to fruition.

In fact, as Cosmo points out, nobody in United has confirmed "Project Minnow". For all anyone knows, Dave and Dave made a phone call, and Tilton told them to get lost.

I think, actually, that the only things you have successfully predicted have been US Airways selling something to someone else. And I'm pretty sure your sources for that are the BOS/LGA MEC reps.

So, when LCC is forced to sell something to burn cash, and you have seen Garland in passing, I might give it some credibility.

Since US Airways has purchased nothing since the Shuttle, I'm not holding my breath when two of the Backstreet Boys pass a rumour on from the FA that United might sell something.

 

[767jetz]

Here's an interesting report I heard from two different sources today. United has been in discussions to sell the Pacific Division.

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LMFAO!

You really are a card. I gotta hand it to you though... you sure are an expert at manipulating the English language, with a clever choice of words that implies underlying meanings yet remains conviently vague enough to avoid accountability.

For example: is it really a report, or is the fact that you are reporting a rumor make it a report? did you "hear" the report or read the report. You see, technically anything a person states here, true or not, becomes a report. Sure sounds legit though. 🙄

Perhaps you just screwed up the punctuation. Maybe you meant to type this: 'Here's an interesting report. I heard from 2 different sources today, United has been in discussions blah, blah,blah.' You see how it works? Same words, different meaning.

If it is a report, what kind of report is it? Is it an internal US report or an external report? Was it a confidential report? If so, maybe I'll bring it up along with your real name at the next SEC company picnic that I regularly attend. (Oh, did I mention my wife's position in the enforcement division of the SEC?)

But seriously, we all know you are full of it... so fear not. I'm sure the SEC would not waste their time on someone like you anyway. Sorry to spoil your feelings of importance.

Here's another example: "Project Minnow" that you love to bring up proves nothing, except that someone with an imagination as big as yours and delusions of grandeur even bigger had designs on UA's assets. Guess what? So does everyone else in the industry, given that UA's assests are considered by most as the envy of the industry.

So congratulations! You knew that someone wanted UA's assets. But for some reason you now believe that this proves there were discussions. Your choice of words implies there was an intention by UA to sell those assets, when clearly THERE WAS NOT. Let's be clear about this, TILTON WAS NOT INTERESTED. So again, technically when Tilton told Dave "No thanks," that was a discussion.

Further, that short conversation may even have taken place in "the executive suite," which makes it sound even more impressive, even though it is just as irrelevant as if it were "discussed" at the urinal in the mens room.

Remember, if someone offers to swallow, and that offer is turned down, a transaction did not occur and was not imminent, even though technically a discussion has occured.

Once again, I assure you that Ted and the Pacific routes are not for sale, regardless of of what your sources tell you, regardless of any discussions, regardless of Parker's desires, and certainly regardless of your hopes and dreams.

Now here is a bit of your own advice... if you really believe that your speculations are correct, why waste bandwidth and time debating it. Just put everyone on your ignore list, and bask in your false sense that no one disputes what you say.

767jetz B)

P.S. For the record, you brought up UA again in this thread. So spare us the standard lecture, please.

 

[767jetz]

While you have pointed to articles that said that Bronner, or Seigel, or US Airways generally, was interested in acquiring some of United's assets, you have NEVER, EVER provided even one shred of evidence on this board that United was interested in such an asset sale.

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Hey Cosmo,

Isn't it funny how we heard over and over again from 320 about how USAir "shunned" United, but from his own reports about "Project Minnow" Tilton was not interested in a deal. So the reality is that USAir was shunned by UA, when US knocked on the door and offered to swallow. (or was it gobble?)

I think 320 has very selective memory.

767jetz

 

[TheLarkAscending]

Here's an interesting report I heard from two different sources today.

Okay, so let's break this down L-O-G-I-C-A-L-L-Y, shall we?

Here's? Where, oh where, is the interesting report? I see no link to anything T-A-N-G-I-B-L-E, F-A-C-T-U-A-L, L-E-G-I-T-I-M-A-T-E, an O-F-F-I-C-I-A-L R-E-L-E-A-S-E, no, nothing...does anyone else? Perhaps, it isn't showing up on my computer? 😉 Meaning: Has NO Merit!

I heard! We've all heard a lot of things over a lifetime, most of which isn't worth repeating because L-O-G-I-C-A-L-L-Y most know that 99.9%, until proven otherwise and released (officially) in B&W, is always horse doodoo and/or emotional wishful thinking. Meaning: Has NO Merit!

Two different sources? Those pesky Super-Secret-Imaginary-Sources have a way of hounding and hounding someone with suppostions! And, now they're speaking twice as much! Just Imagine! :wacko: Meaning: Has NO merit.

<_< Sigh. . .

 

[767jetz]

I heard! We've all heard a lot of things over a lifetime, most of which isn't worth repeating ...


Two different sources? Those pesky Super-Secret-Imaginary-Sources ...

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Lark,

You bring up a couple of good points.

When USA320 says he "heard" something, what does that really mean? Did he pass by an office with the door cracked open? Were the people involved talking amongst themselves? Was he actually present to see the facial expressions, body lanuage, and to process the tone of their voice. Verbal communication accounts for just 7% to 10% of communication. That means over 90% is non-verbal and isn't coming out of a person's mouth. So when you "hear" something, particularly out of context, it can have an entirely different meaning.

Context does matter.

Also... Who are these sources? The janitor in the mens room? Another pilot in the crew van? Rumors fly around our own training center, and for some reason people often have the false impression that rumors heard in the training center or coming from a Check Airman somehow carry more weight. As if they are privy to confidential information, which obviously they are not.

 

[SoftLanding]

Clue:

Cash...by the way, how did United obtain the Pacific Division and what was the reason for the asset sale?

What's your opinion of the news media reports of "Project Minnow" and who first publicly spoke of this potential "Interesting Corporate Transaction"?

Regards,

USA320Pilot

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This would only make sense if the leadership of UAL believe that a major "problem" is about to surface, the Bird Flu.

The Bird Flu has pandemic potentials. Even President Bush discussed it in his news brief yesterday.

How much would the Pacific Division be worth AFTER an outbreak? Then again, if they believe that such an outbreak is about to happen, they might as well sell the Heathrow/European Division also...come to think about it, sell UAL period.


SoftLanding