Just heard today that MAA will be IND, PIT, DCA. Pilots Have to decide weather they stay on.They have until Tuesday July 5th to decide. They will be payed $5 less perhour and have to sign on for 2 years. Anyone know more than that? Have not heard a thing about the F/A's yet. I am sure we will be shafted. No one cares about anyone who is MAA or furloughed. Its all about the ones who are on property. :down: :angry:
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USA320Pilot
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On July 1, 2005 US Airways senior director of flight operations Lyle Hogg wrote the following letter:
Captain Lyle Hogg
Senior Director
Flight Operations
July 1, 2005
To All MidAtlantic Pilots:
As we move forward with the sale of our EMB 170 aircraft to Republic Airways, we will begin transitioning pilots to Republic Airways shortly. An initial pilot training class is being planned July 18, 2005 and will be offered in seniority order to all MidAtlantic pilots per Letter of Agreement # 91. The first class will be comprised of 10 Captains and 10 First Officers. This first group will complete approximately two weeks of indoctrination training followed by either two or three simulator sessions. Once training is complete, you will participate in proving run flights with the FAA in advance of Republic Airways completing their FAA certification. After this phase, most will have the opportunity to qualify for a Check Airman position.
Further information concerning Republic Airways is attached as well as placed on the ALPA website and theHub. We will begin calling pilots July 5, 2005 and will be closing the first class by July 8, 2005. Captains accepting employment at Republic Airways will receive Captain's pay in accordance with their MidAtlantic longevity. First Officer's pay will be at Republic Airway's First Officer top-of-scale pay.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of you for your exemplary service to US Airways and to MidAtlantic Airways in particular. Your "can do" attitude was an integral part of the successful start up of a new division with a new aircraft type. We know your job has not been an easy one and we appreciate all your efforts in making MidAtlantic a successful division for our Company.
In the coming days, more information should become available concerning the transition to Republic Airways. As soon as we know more, we will share that information with you.
Stay tuned and thanks again for your continued efforts.
ALPA code-a-phone update - July 1, 2005
On July 1 ALPA MEC chairman Captain Bill Pollock said, "We have just learned that MDA pilots have received a communication from management indicating that MDA pilots will be called upon to make a decision about training to take place at Republic Airlines scheduled to commence on the 18th of July. It is our understanding that management has established July 8th as a date for decisions to be made by MDA pilots. The MEC is investigating this correspondence and any implications. Additionally, the MEC’s position is that no pilot should consider making a career decision with less than complete and detailed information. We will vigorously oppose any move to force a training decision with less than full information. As a reminder, the MEC has filed a grievance regarding the proposed MDA transaction. It is the Association’s position that the proposed transaction is an MDA affiliate event that represents a change in control of MDA with the rights described in LOA 91."
Regards,
USA320Pilot
Captain Lyle Hogg
Senior Director
Flight Operations
July 1, 2005
To All MidAtlantic Pilots:
As we move forward with the sale of our EMB 170 aircraft to Republic Airways, we will begin transitioning pilots to Republic Airways shortly. An initial pilot training class is being planned July 18, 2005 and will be offered in seniority order to all MidAtlantic pilots per Letter of Agreement # 91. The first class will be comprised of 10 Captains and 10 First Officers. This first group will complete approximately two weeks of indoctrination training followed by either two or three simulator sessions. Once training is complete, you will participate in proving run flights with the FAA in advance of Republic Airways completing their FAA certification. After this phase, most will have the opportunity to qualify for a Check Airman position.
Further information concerning Republic Airways is attached as well as placed on the ALPA website and theHub. We will begin calling pilots July 5, 2005 and will be closing the first class by July 8, 2005. Captains accepting employment at Republic Airways will receive Captain's pay in accordance with their MidAtlantic longevity. First Officer's pay will be at Republic Airway's First Officer top-of-scale pay.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of you for your exemplary service to US Airways and to MidAtlantic Airways in particular. Your "can do" attitude was an integral part of the successful start up of a new division with a new aircraft type. We know your job has not been an easy one and we appreciate all your efforts in making MidAtlantic a successful division for our Company.
In the coming days, more information should become available concerning the transition to Republic Airways. As soon as we know more, we will share that information with you.
Stay tuned and thanks again for your continued efforts.
ALPA code-a-phone update - July 1, 2005
On July 1 ALPA MEC chairman Captain Bill Pollock said, "We have just learned that MDA pilots have received a communication from management indicating that MDA pilots will be called upon to make a decision about training to take place at Republic Airlines scheduled to commence on the 18th of July. It is our understanding that management has established July 8th as a date for decisions to be made by MDA pilots. The MEC is investigating this correspondence and any implications. Additionally, the MEC’s position is that no pilot should consider making a career decision with less than complete and detailed information. We will vigorously oppose any move to force a training decision with less than full information. As a reminder, the MEC has filed a grievance regarding the proposed MDA transaction. It is the Association’s position that the proposed transaction is an MDA affiliate event that represents a change in control of MDA with the rights described in LOA 91."
Regards,
USA320Pilot
IT APPEARS THEY MY MIGHT NEED SOME MONEY A SEC FILING YESTERDAY 7/1/05 THEY WANT TO OFFER 7,000,000 SHARES FOR SOMETHING LIKE $14.05 A SHARE TO RAISE EQUITY FOR THE PURCHASE. I ALSO READ THAT CHQ'S EMB-170'S ARE GOING TO BE SHIFTED TO SHUTTLE AMERICA'S CERTIFICATE BY THE END OF DEC 05 AND ALL THE PROPS WILL BE DROPPED :unsure:
USA320Pilot said:
OOOOHHHHH!!!! Proving Runs!!!! WOW!!! Just like a real airline pilot!!!
Let's see.
1. Slit your own throat by requalifying for the same airplane for less money, benefits, etc.
2. Then do Republic Holdings a huge favor by showing the Feds how ready Republic Airways is to get an Operating Certificate and E170 Authorization by using YOUR hard earned skills and experience to fly the exact same routes as you have already been flying for the past 15 months. Perhaps the proving runs might be a little risky with a 1501hr ATP celebrating his 23rd Birthday by 'commanding' the 170 in front of a Fed.
3. Then for that extra special pat-on-the-head they might let you be a Check-Airman. OOOH!!!! What a deal!
4. Don't forget the 2 year $15000 Training Contract though, just in case you think the Check-Airman qualification might let you escape the horror sooner.
Light Years
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Apparently not a single one is going to accept it. What a slap in the face.
Any affection or loyalty I ever had to US Airways is gone. :angry:
Wait and see what happens when they offer that bull**t to the F/As who have even less to lose. They better get about 400 F/As trained and somehow able to staff MidAtlantic as it is now by the end of the month. Do they really think unemployment (from MAA wages?) is enough to keep people around for months to baby-sit a sold airplane?
Any affection or loyalty I ever had to US Airways is gone. :angry:
Wait and see what happens when they offer that bull**t to the F/As who have even less to lose. They better get about 400 F/As trained and somehow able to staff MidAtlantic as it is now by the end of the month. Do they really think unemployment (from MAA wages?) is enough to keep people around for months to baby-sit a sold airplane?
If these positions are truly being treated as J4J, don't they have to be filled by starting at the top of the APL and working down as with all other J4J positions?
It seems that the APL and the J4J protocols are being ignored here.
Is Republic attempting to have it's J4J Cake and Eat it? They can NOT just go to the 170 Qualified Pilots. If they want it J4J, they have to go to the APL and start there.
I hope they find 20 for their first class there and not at MDA. Then we'll see if the TWO or THREE sim sessions will be sufficient to get their check-airman and proving run crews.
Every Manager at Chitauqua and Airways must be laughing hard at ALPA and it's spineless ways.
ALPA's Idiocy is no longer funny - it is now creating widespread severe damage to careers. Is anyone going to stand up and stop the flagrant abuse of furloughed US Airways pilots? :angry:
It seems that the APL and the J4J protocols are being ignored here.
Is Republic attempting to have it's J4J Cake and Eat it? They can NOT just go to the 170 Qualified Pilots. If they want it J4J, they have to go to the APL and start there.
I hope they find 20 for their first class there and not at MDA. Then we'll see if the TWO or THREE sim sessions will be sufficient to get their check-airman and proving run crews.
Every Manager at Chitauqua and Airways must be laughing hard at ALPA and it's spineless ways.
ALPA's Idiocy is no longer funny - it is now creating widespread severe damage to careers. Is anyone going to stand up and stop the flagrant abuse of furloughed US Airways pilots? :angry:
I cant wait to see how the U MEC tries to spin this one. Every time these individuals try and manipulate the system this whole mess gets worse. I have a hint for the U mec. Why dont you try and do the right thing for once!!! Your job is to protect the pilots! not suck up to management for your own personal gain!
Light Years
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Dear Flight Attendants....
This memo is to update you and to let you know that I, along with the AFA Staff Attorney and other AFA Staff Negotiators will be meeting with the Company on July 6th and 7th to discuss information that was shared between Republic and MidAtlantic and how it will directly affect us.
I have compiled a list of questions, that I have received from many of you, and encourage you to send me any questions that you may have, so I may ask all of the questions and hopefully be able to report answers to you. I will report any and all information that I get as soon as possible.
I know that this has been a long time waiting, and we deserve to have answers so that we can make any decisions neccessary for our futures. I encourage you to be positive and keep a great professional attitude with our passengers, as this is what they are used to from the best MidAtlantic Flight Attendants.
As I know that it is easier said than done, I ask that you keep the faith.
In solidarity,
Bobbi
MEC
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Dear Flight Attendants....
This memo is to update you and to let you know that I, along with the AFA Staff Attorney and other AFA Staff Negotiators will be meeting with the Company on July 6th and 7th to discuss information that was shared between Republic and MidAtlantic and how it will directly affect us.
I have compiled a list of questions, that I have received from many of you, and encourage you to send me any questions that you may have, so I may ask all of the questions and hopefully be able to report answers to you. I will report any and all information that I get as soon as possible.
I know that this has been a long time waiting, and we deserve to have answers so that we can make any decisions neccessary for our futures. I encourage you to be positive and keep a great professional attitude with our passengers, as this is what they are used to from the best MidAtlantic Flight Attendants.
As I know that it is easier said than done, I ask that you keep the faith.
In solidarity,
Bobbi
MEC
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luvn737s
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What leverage do the MDA pilots have? Can Republic just slow down the transfer of aircraft to meet a delayed training schedule if the MDA pilots don't take the Bataan Death March?
Also, is there an actual screen door anywhere at MDA?
Also, is there an actual screen door anywhere at MDA?
Light Years
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What do you mean by "screen door"?
MAA employees have leverage for the first time in thier careers. They could resign in good standing and keep mainline recall, leaving the 170s unstaffed. There are no more mainline people to call, none would come anyway now, and there certainly are not alot of experienced E170 crews seeing as there are only about 50 of them in the world, 28 of which are at Airways.
The a/c are scheduled to transfer over slowly over a 9 month period and MAA employees are expected to staff it until it goes. While there is still a E170 Division at US Airways, someone needs to crew the remaining aircraft. Does US Airways want to do Republic's recruiting and training of new hires for them?
MAA employees have leverage for the first time in thier careers. They could resign in good standing and keep mainline recall, leaving the 170s unstaffed. There are no more mainline people to call, none would come anyway now, and there certainly are not alot of experienced E170 crews seeing as there are only about 50 of them in the world, 28 of which are at Airways.
The a/c are scheduled to transfer over slowly over a 9 month period and MAA employees are expected to staff it until it goes. While there is still a E170 Division at US Airways, someone needs to crew the remaining aircraft. Does US Airways want to do Republic's recruiting and training of new hires for them?
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TBONEJ4J said:
You are a joke.Better still,turn it down completely and stay your bitter,sad a$$ at Airways.We don't want to fly with your type anyway ! The J4J guys we have now are a good bunch,but your type would be better off working at Home Depot.Go out and buy yourself a clue-we already operate the 170 without a single "1501 hr ATP".I hope we can operate them without a 55 yr. old bitter a$$hat.
robbedagain
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well at least homedepot pays good money and they wouldnt go down the same path as usair did this is a true slap in the face to the MidTitanic pilots who had already suffered from the mainline alpa selling them out.
mwereplanes
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frankwasright:
You and your cohorts are why the profession is turning into a job. You equate what you do with the Home Depot. You castigate a pilot who understands the manipulation of the profession by management as a "bitter, sad ass" yet fail to understand what he has been through because guys like you who do the job for peanuts. Your handle is correct. Lorenzo was right. There are literally thousands of you who will fly for truck driver wages because you don't get it. Just like U's 320 and his buddies who inhabit the U MEC.
Let me explain: You are responsible for a 30 to 100 million dollar jet. You are responsible for 50 to 450 lives which no amount of money can replace. I could continue with the training, checkrides, physicals, etc... but it wouldn't matter. You don't get it. Never will.
U is losing 10 to 20 pilots per month who do get it. And they will be replaced by guys like you who "just want to fly." That is what the free market is all about. Fair enough. But it is truly sad that you don't unerstand what you do is worth substantially more than you are making. Maybe, someday you will get it. But in the meantime stop criticizing those who do. They have pride in the profession. They understand that's is not just a job. They should be bitter. And sad. They are the first casualties of your fly for any salary mentality.
mr
You and your cohorts are why the profession is turning into a job. You equate what you do with the Home Depot. You castigate a pilot who understands the manipulation of the profession by management as a "bitter, sad ass" yet fail to understand what he has been through because guys like you who do the job for peanuts. Your handle is correct. Lorenzo was right. There are literally thousands of you who will fly for truck driver wages because you don't get it. Just like U's 320 and his buddies who inhabit the U MEC.
Let me explain: You are responsible for a 30 to 100 million dollar jet. You are responsible for 50 to 450 lives which no amount of money can replace. I could continue with the training, checkrides, physicals, etc... but it wouldn't matter. You don't get it. Never will.
U is losing 10 to 20 pilots per month who do get it. And they will be replaced by guys like you who "just want to fly." That is what the free market is all about. Fair enough. But it is truly sad that you don't unerstand what you do is worth substantially more than you are making. Maybe, someday you will get it. But in the meantime stop criticizing those who do. They have pride in the profession. They understand that's is not just a job. They should be bitter. And sad. They are the first casualties of your fly for any salary mentality.
mr
