M&R LBO2 Vote Predictions

Bob Owens said:
Not at all, life is complicated and sometimes things seem to contradict.
Yes there is a shortage of mechanics, and it affects the industry as a whole, so just because theres a shortage on an industry wide basis it doesnt preclude any carrier from having a surplus.The whole thing here is timing, right now AA does not have a surpluss of mechanics and they really dont have anyplace to send the MD-80s and 757s, and it will take time before they get replacements. they cant get rid of those aircraft and wait till they get new ones so they need who they have until they do.

As far as Don and the NMB who does the NMB recognize as the authority from the union, the negotiating committee or the International, hint, the International, the Negotiating committee has no leagl standing. So yes they control what gets put to the NMB.
We wont get released if we dont ask, as far as a srtrike 30 days later I doubt it would happen because AA conrtols 18% of the market. Between AA, UA and Delta they control 68% of the traffic, if AA merges with USAIR it would be around 77%. If the APA strike constituted a transportation emergency in 1997 when the industry was much more spread out its extremely likely that any of the big three would be one now.

It post like this that tell us why you hide behind an alias.
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The shortage of mechanics is mostly in Asia per the Boeing study. The shortage is a lot less in the US on an annualized basis. You over embellish the facts...again.

Aeromexico has just completed their new hangar capacity in GDL and are adding WB capacity due to a cash infusion from DL. But that's not the issue. You said yourself that 4,000 would end up getting laid off anyway so vote no. So which is it? Voting yes is BS or the mechanic shortage is BS? You can't have it both ways. Oh wait, I'm talking to the master manipulator himself.

Then if you have no power then why don't you resign and work for organizing AMFA? You were ecstatic about it in 2004. The NMB can declare an impasse without us or AA asking for it. The fact is it will be a long time before that happens. But we are fighting right? Great! And if we are not going to get a strike where is the leverage? Sounds like a Bob Owens scare tactic! Oooooo.

No matter we will find out soon enough. I have no problem with members voting no but they will have to bear the consequences of that decision, good and bad.
 
Overspeed said:
A no vote ensures that there will be 4,000 or more laid off and you will still not get a raise for two to three years.
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So the day after this passes 4,000 pink slips handed out. So who is going to replace the work of the 4,000 guys being layed off? AA went from 4,000 to 2,000 and since BK was filed over 600 have left the company. At this rate we may have to hire off the street.
FEAR is all the union and company have left to finish raping us of what little we have left of this once proud profession. Please get real and take a break. Your too wound up in your own FEAR.
 
Overspeed said:
The shortage of mechanics is mostly in Asia per the Boeing study. The shortage is a lot less in the US on an annualized basis. You over embellish the facts...again.

Aeromexico has just completed their new hangar capacity in GDL and are adding WB capacity due to a cash infusion from DL. But that's not the issue. You said yourself that 4,000 would end up getting laid off anyway so vote no. So which is it? Voting yes is BS or the mechanic shortage is BS? You can't have it both ways. Oh wait, I'm talking to the master manipulator himself.

Then if you have no power then why don't you resign and work for organizing AMFA? You were ecstatic about it in 2004. The NMB can declare an impasse without us or AA asking for it. The fact is it will be a long time before that happens. But we are fighting right? Great! And if we are not going to get a strike where is the leverage? Sounds like a Bob Owens scare tactic! Oooooo.

No matter we will find out soon enough. I have no problem with members voting no but they will have to bear the consequences of that decision, good and bad.
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Embellish? How so, I said there is a shortage, I didnt define to what degree or where it was the most severe.

Making thgings up to attack, FOX News is at it again!

Did I say 4000 getting laid off, are you sure about that? Making things up again? If so I meant 4000 jobs eliminated, thats not the same as laying off 4000. Case in point, in 2003 we had what was it 16000 or 18000 in M&R, but now we have 11500, did all those people get laid off? NO but they eliminated over 5000 jobs, and we didnt get credit for most of them.

Please, with system protection gone and the ability to outsource at least 35% of the maintenance spend, if AA had a place to send the work, such as that new hangar in Mexico, what in the new contract that you advocate is stopping them from laying off 4000 workers the day after ratification?

I was elected to represent, I tell people what I see, from my perspective. They may share my views or they may not, but at least they get an opinion from someone who enjoyed and took pride in being an Aircraft Mechanic. The TWU is the Union in place. I will do whatever I can to change this organization, more specifically the AATD, to meet the needs and expectations of my coworkers. If others seek to go to a dfifferent organization thats their right, I will keep doing what I have to do to get this organization to make the changes that even Jim Little admits are needed, my coworkers are entitled to that and thats what they want me to do. Are you saying that our coworkers should accept whats going on with their careers at AA? Are you saying that the AATD is an efficient and effective structure for mechanics, Stores and fleet service? Are you saying thats it OK for the membership elected leaders to be subordinate in all contractual matters to appointed leaders from the International? Are you saying that the fact that the A&Ps in negotaitions are outnumbered by non-A&Ps is OK by you? There were 6 A&P mechanics in Negotiations, the other 10 were not even though A&Ps make up the largest part of the contract. Two Fleet service clerks, who remain only below Southwest, and ahead of the rest of the industry, voted to recommend that mechanics accept the worst contract in the industry, you are OK with that as well?
 
We are again being gang raped by the company and the International. The company is sticking it to us while the International holds us down.

And the International is whispering in our ear....


"Don't fight it, it will hurt less! Hold still its all most over!" We feel your pain and agony!
But we know what is best for you!
You know you want it! You deserve this!
Its almost over! They are almost done! Take it! Take it.................you filthy mechanics!!!!!!!!!!

ARE WE GOING TO STAND UP AND FIGHT OR JUST TAKE IT LAYING DOWN???????
VOTE NO!!! VOTE NO!!! VOTE NO!! OR CHANGE YOUR YES TO A NO NOW!!
 
Overspeed said:
The shortage of mechanics is mostly in Asia per the Boeing study. The shortage is a lot less in the US on an annualized basis. You over embellish the facts...again.

Aeromexico has just completed their new hangar capacity in GDL and are adding WB capacity due to a cash infusion from DL. But that's not the issue. You said yourself that 4,000 would end up getting laid off anyway so vote no. So which is it? Voting yes is BS or the mechanic shortage is BS? You can't have it both ways. Oh wait, I'm talking to the master manipulator himself.

Then if you have no power then why don't you resign and work for organizing AMFA? You were ecstatic about it in 2004. The NMB can declare an impasse without us or AA asking for it. The fact is it will be a long time before that happens. But we are fighting right? Great! And if we are not going to get a strike where is the leverage? Sounds like a Bob Owens scare tactic! Oooooo.

No matter we will find out soon enough. I have no problem with members voting no but they will have to bear the consequences of that decision, good and bad.
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Your ship is SINKING,the only choise you have is go down with it or BAIL !
 
Overspeed said:
I have no problem with members voting no but they will have to bear the consequences of that decision, good and bad.
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This isn't the first time you've omitted yourself from the membership. It's ok, we all know who you work for.
 
Right from AA's website

What Happens When the Judge's Decision Is Made?
If the court permits the employer to terminate the CBA, the company's proposed contract changes are implemented. The company may implement only those proposals made during the 1113 negotiations - it cannot make changes outside of those proposals.
  • The duty to bargain continues and the parties return to negotiations for a new agreement.
  • A union is permitted to strike only if released from bargaining by the NMB.
If the Judge rules that the company's 1113 proposal is not both fair and equitable and reasonably necessary for the company's reorganization, the current CBA remains in force.
 
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