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[jbguppy]

Well I'm not a Sky God pilot like you, so spelling is beyond my skill set. If the misspelling of consistency is the only thing you point out it must mean the rest of the post was accurate.

Answer the question. WHEN was the last time UNITED strung together 30 years of Profit?

Their business model is ultimately the same as any enterprise and that is to generate a profit for their investors/stckholders by any means necessary. All their fuel hedge program proves is that they are better businessmen than the ones who run UNITED. See on Wall Street they don't care HOW you make a profit they just care HOW MUCH Profit and by that standard SWA kicks the legacy carrier in the arse EVERY TIME!
Hey KC whats Amaranth with wings??? He's using big pilot words and a lowly Star Alliance Gold like me can't follow along. I only know how to read a P & L, (especially all those UA ones covered in RED) not comprehend big high fallutin' words like Amaranth.

You really do spend all your time on these boards don't you? Clink on the link below,




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Good Luck to you..

JBG

PS -as to your 30 years of profitability, look ahead - it is what matters.

 

[SKY HIGH]

Sure, flying Southwest is like McDonalds...we all pretty much get the same thing. Flying United is where a handful of passengers are directed into the Morton's, while the bulk of the passengers can only smell the aroma as they pass bythe door to Mortons and head to the counter next door and order up a big mac.

SKY HIGH STATES: It's called TAKING CARE OF YOUR BEST CUSTOMER. Frequent flyers account for over 35 PERCENT of the airline's revenue! It's good business. Ask a ELITE FLYER how much money they spend per year! Bob?

 

[x15]

At the end of the day, SWA would have had many un-profitable quarters without their hedges, ....
JBG

Lots of people like to say that, but what is not realized is that if SWA didn't have the fuel hedges, they simply would have increased fares to stay profitable. Since thay had the hedges though, they kept the fares lower to increase growth and stifle the competition some.

 

[KCFlyer]

SKY HIGH STATES: It's called TAKING CARE OF YOUR BEST CUSTOMER. Frequent flyers account for over 35 PERCENT of the airline's revenue! It's good business. Ask a ELITE FLYER how much money they spend per year! Bob?

And not so frequent fliers account for the other 65% of your revenue. And that 65% is getting to visit McDonaldland rather than Mortons. And...I thought the first class cabin was supposed to generate revenue...are you telling me that it's only there to reward those that generate 35% of your revenues - whether they paid any "upcharge" to sit there or not?

If I were to walk up and tell you that I wanted to pay for a first class seat, would you tell me to go somewhere else because this is only one trip, and that seat needs to be saved for someone who flies more often?

 

[KCFlyer]

KC now c'mon you know that isn't the issue. You're baiting Sky High and of course US is going to sell the open F seat you know that.

All of this has little or nothing to do with SWA's financial performance

ACtually Bob - it does. Sky High seems to feel that Southwest is inferior because 100% of their revenues come from customers. Some are on Southwest jets a few times a week...some are on Southwest jets once in a blue moon. But they all spend their money when they travel. Sky High and the UAL guys point out that Southwest doesn't have alliances, doesn't have glassware, doesn't have lie flat seats, doesn't have a first class cabin...and that somehow Southwest is Mcdonalds to UAL's Morton's. And my point is that the vast majority of their customers, FFer's or not, are sitting in a coach seat with NO glassware...NO lie flat seats...NO other amenity that supposedly makes the other airlines "better" than Southwest. You yourself said you are sitting in coach 90% of the time on US - what do you get in that cabin - regardless of the length of the flight - that you wouldn't get on a Southwest flight?

 

[SKY HIGH]

ACtually Bob - it does. Sky High seems to feel that Southwest is inferior You yourself said you are sitting in coach 90% of the time on US - what do you get in that cabin - regardless of the length of the flight - that you wouldn't get on a Southwest flight?

sky high states: Actually I commented on this tread because of your ridiculous remark that Southwest's "SERVICE" exceeds that of the legacy carriers.
BULLcrap.
Secondly, I highly doubt Piney sits in coach, often. Chairman's preferred have unlimited upgrades and more oten then not, get into the first class cabin. A traveler of his stature, plans his flights accordingly. First class all the way.
Thirdly, what many legacy carrier employees see in the past several years is Southwest moving away from it's business model. Moving into the highly congested airports of the East Coast. Moving AWAY from the business model of operating "mostly" from secondary less congested airports.
Controlling costs, for many years WN's Cost per seat mile was in the 6 cent range, now it's in the upper 7 to 8 cent range. Labor, now paid TOP WAGES in the industry. They moved away from Peanuts only. they're quick turns are becoming increasely harder to achieve, Philly alone can mess up their operation. And, lastly, their fuel hedges decrease percentage wise, year by year.
Their business model seems to be disappearing like their fuel hedges. Had they NOT hedged like they did, they're business model would be posting RED. While some LEGACY carriers have gotten their houses in order and now can compete with the said, Low Cost Carriers.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[KCFlyer]

sky high states: Actually I commented on this tread because of your ridiculous remark that Southwest's "SERVICE" exceeds that of the legacy carriers.
BULLcrap.
Secondly, I highly doubt Piney sits in coach, often. Chairman's preferred have unlimited upgrades and more oten then not, get into the first class cabin. A traveler of his stature, plans his flights accordingly. First class all the way.

In repsonse to this:

Sit in coach?
Probably 90% of the time as a US1.

While some LEGACY carriers have gotten their houses in order and now can compete with the said, Low Cost Carriers.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Hmmmm..isn't it nice how bankruptcy (twice in your case) can be neatly cleaned up and called "getting their house in order". I still think it will be interesting to see how it plays if AA remains profitable after all y'all have given up.

 

[jbguppy]

sky high states: Actually I commented on this tread because of your ridiculous remark that Southwest's "SERVICE" exceeds that of the legacy carriers.
BULLcrap.
Secondly, I highly doubt Piney sits in coach, often. Chairman's preferred have unlimited upgrades and more oten then not, get into the first class cabin. A traveler of his stature, plans his flights accordingly. First class all the way.
Thirdly, what many legacy carrier employees see in the past several years is Southwest moving away from it's business model. Moving into the highly congested airports of the East Coast. Moving AWAY from the business model of operating "mostly" from secondary less congested airports.
Controlling costs, for many years WN's Cost per seat mile was in the 6 cent range, now it's in the upper 7 to 8 cent range. Labor, now paid TOP WAGES in the industry. They moved away from Peanuts only. they're quick turns are becoming increasely harder to achieve, Philly alone can mess up their operation. And, lastly, their fuel hedges decrease percentage wise, year by year.
Their business model seems to be disappearing like their fuel hedges. Had they NOT hedged like they did, they're business model would be posting RED. While some LEGACY carriers have gotten their houses in order and now can compete with the said, Low Cost Carriers.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

And a lot of the blind SWA cheerleaders are fighting very hard to refute that, but it is in vain.

KC, do you feel like an incumbent republican congressman tonight???

JBG

 

[KCFlyer]

And a lot of the blind SWA cheerleaders are fighting very hard to refute that, but it is in vain.

KC, do you feel like an incumbent republican congressman tonight???

JBG

JB and Shy high...while you all have done a great job of showing the differences between SWA and US or UA first class service, you've done very little to show the difference between SWA and those airlines coach class service.

 

[SKY HIGH]

JB and Shy high...while you all have done a great job of showing the differences between SWA and US or UA first class service, you've done very little to show the difference between SWA and those airlines coach class service.

sky high: LIKEWISE, bud. Just how does southwest's "SERVICE" exceed the legacies? With crackers?
The cattle-car boarding? Sorry, cant think of anything else, because YOU DONT GET ANYTHING ESLE ON SOUTHWEST.

JB and Shy high...while you all have done a great job of showing the differences between SWA and US or UA first class service, you've done very little to show the difference between SWA and those airlines coach class service.

SKY HIGH: Hey Genius, that's why HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF FREQUENT FLYERS choice the legacy carriers. FIRST CLASS SERVICE////UPGRADES".
Hey Bob, if your airline pulled first class, would you stay chairman's with them?

 

[mrman]

That's because Buy on board and priority boarding are the only advantages of the Legacy carriers

And SW gives for free the snack box that AA charges $5 for

 

[jbguppy]

And SW gives for free the snack box that AA charges $5 for

Not according to their website, if you are on a flight longer than 2 hours then you will be served a pre-packaged snack, they DO NOT serve sandwiches or meals...

JBG

 

[magsau]

SO WHEN was it that UA has generated 30 years of consecutive profits? All I hear is MEOW MEOW MEOW MEOW when it comes to the answer to this question from you and your Sky God pal Magsau.

Now put on your dress and go fly some of your prison matron flight attendents around so they can sit on their assets in the galley and complain about the elites instead of serving them.

SkyGod? Interesting. 30 years of profits? Well when SWA has been in business as long as UAL then we can compare profits. The last time I was in NRT I did not see one SWA airplane. UAL and SWA are apples and oranges but you don't want to admit that. SWA is a carrier thatis going to find it niche harder and harder to maintain. Whether Kelly can pull off the next generation of SWA is to be determined.

I have seen some elderely ladies on your SWA tv show pushing carts. Many probably would look better in a dress than the t-shirt and tank tops that they call uniforms at SWA. I think SWA should adopt the wife beater as the uniform shirt. This would make the pax feel at home.

 

[Rhino]

SWA FAs don't push carts, so I'm not sure to whom you're referring.

It's so funny when OAL employees denigrate SWA's PAX. I think that attitude contributes to the continuing erosion of legacy market share.

 

[mrman]

Not according to their website, if you are on a flight longer than 2 hours then you will be served a pre-packaged snack, they DO NOT serve sandwiches or meals...

JBG

Neither does AA. They serve a snack box. In addition WN gives it FF free booze in coach