Hula Girl said:
PITbull said:
Comparing other reserve systems to U, doesn't make one feel that this is just life and accept it and move on. WE WERE NEVER SPOILED. iT IS CERTAINLY A VIOLATION OF SENIORITY, impossible to time out, or even exceed guarantee.
Again, I respectfully beg to differ. We were certainly spoiled. How many jobs in the free world pay you to sit on your butt and watch Oprah?! Look at the reserve lists posted that detail time flown before the new reserve system came into effect. Pass, pass, pass. We were our own worst enemy and now we have to work per contract. Well boo hoo. I got my guarantee in when I was not trumped by the overflying senior mamas and was proud to collect the paycheck I EARNED. No offense to those that earned their stripes but I know of too many who were nothing short of proud that they could pass and sick out and time out with sick time for the holidays. It is a disgrace and an embarrassment to the profession. I had Delta and American reserve f/as for roommates and they were assigned trips on a daily basis with no questions asked. Quit defending those who have made it bad for all of us and obviously do not want to work.
Hula,
What are you respectfully disagreeing with on my post? We legally passed as the contract stated and it allowed for passing, and parameters. If we illegally passed, we were disciplined. No exceptions! Sit ?Who sat on their butts and watched Oprah? YOU WERE ON DUTY! You had to be ready available. That meant not being further than 1 hour away from home, no drinking, on call with beeper. Passing allowed you flexibility, quality of life, cause your fate on reserve was for many years, not just a couple.
It also allowed for more jobs. I sense resentment in your tone, for what purpose? Do you believe passing and giving parameters cost you your job? Or some "senior mama" who was on the property for many years? There are over 4,000 folks who took a voluntary furlough. Through that process 4,000 in the lower seniority bracket got to keep their jobs for longer.
You got to keep your job for longer. Are you blaming f/as for your predicament or management or union, or everyone in the world? If there was no passing in previous years, they would have no need for your employment. While others passed, trips came down to you to fly. If folks didn't pass, or call in sick...YOU DIDN'T GET A TRIP.
I am not sure you know the implications of what you are saying. Yes you are on furlough now, NOT BECAUSE F/As PASSED. Quite the contrary. If the reserves did not have the abiity to pass, they wouldn't have a need to hire more f/as, which would have been your job. Over fly did not cost you your job, just a poor paycheck on certain months. You don't help your cause any by slamming the entire old reserve system. The overfly situation got worse as they paychecks shrunk. Violations were in all groups! The senior folks who took a voluntary furlough, saved many junior jobs from hitting the streets much earlier. I would have hoped to hear the reserves be grateful for having the flexibility they had through the years, and not look a "gift horse in the mouth". It took much negotiating and sacrifice for reserves to get that flexibility and quality of life to pass trips. Everyone was still responsible to get their time in. If you didn't....it was called "LOW HOURS". And believe me, folks were disciplined for it. Even terminated. So, I see now folks compalining for getting some flexibility???? And its now called disgraceful? Amazing.
MDA will be starting up very soon, you will get what you wish....no pass, assigned trips flying 90 hours a month at a low wage. No more worrying about being "spoiled" and embarrassed.
Unfortunately I believe that the straw man (Dave S.) is just reacting to the string pulls of the puppeteer (Dave B.)
