Let"s Not Forget This

Aug 18, 2003
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Here is an e-mail I sent to Jim Little.

Jim, Ken MacTiernan here. I just received a copy of the latest twu propaganda mail out. ( I do not receive anything from the twu international for some unknown reason.) This mail out was given to me from a fellow AMT and AMFA supporter. I would like to ask you to answer for what the twu is claiming in this latest failing attempt to divert attention away from the twu's failures and shortcomings.

Where to begin? Ok, I'll start with the first lies that I read upon opening the flyer. I will number them to make it easier to keep track of. TWU claims that they,

1: Kept three maintenance bases open. Now Jim, why does the flyer not continue to state that it was the three cities that these maintenance bases are located in that are the real reason these bases are open... for now? How many millions of dollars was AA promised/given in Tulsa and MCI? It was tax payers money that kept these bases alive. Not the twu's prowess in negotiations.

2: 12,000 jobs saved across the system including bases, line stations and Title II. This 12,000 number is pretty large. Since this flyer is aimed primarily at AMTs could this flyer have included EXACTLY how many AMTs were saved and EXACTLY how many have been laid off? Lay offs are not so much the fault of any particular union. Any company will try and do what they want, i.e.. lay offs. However, what is to be faulted is the inability or lack of fight for a union to fight against these lay offs. Unnamed teamtwu members, ( by the way who exactly constitutes the make up of this anti-AMFA "team"? Were they elected or appointed?), point to the negative ruling against AMFA in their FM 1 court case. What happened to the twu's FM case? Why is the dream team of teamtwu members pointing to this ruling as something bad for AMFA. The point is that AMFA fought for the membership. OK, they lost in court but at least they fought! Again, where is the twu's FM case?

3: Reduced outsourcing in 2003 while other major carriers increased outsourcing. Nice try Jim. What about the outsourcing of Cabin Service almost overnight in the concessions YOU signed for? What about the twu outsourcing AMT work, air starts, push backs and deicing, to the Ramp. If my work is taken from me it does not matter who does it. I LOST work. Why did the twu allow my work to be outsourced? Why did the twu allow a Maintenance Special Items Work Card, SIC 1900, to be outsourced to the vendor? This work card had a AMT replace the entertainment tape inside the tape reproducer on AA aircraft. Now we do not. I believe Rockwell Collins does this work. This is outsourcing. Why do you not address it in the flyer?

4: Stabilized the company's financial position -- returning AA to a small profit. Well, a big difference of opinion here Jim. Are we making a profit or not? Who are the twu leaders listening to? Hopefully not the same people who looked over the company's books prior to the concession package. You know, the people who seemed to have overlooked that tiny SERP fiasco.

The twu claims that AMFA,

1: Lost 20,000 jobs -- including more than 6000 mechanic and related craft and class. If the people who make and print these lies up were made of wood Jim their noses would be a foot long. Again, why does this flyer not continue to inform the reader that these jobs were a direct result of INDUSTRIAL union's, ( IAM, IBT), lousy/poor contract language? It was industrial union negotiated contract language that AMFA inherited at the airlines they represent. Go ahead and point out NWA's laying off AMTs at their Class II Maintenance Stations. AMFA fought against this and had NWA restaff! Just like AMFA's FM cases. They fought for the membership. Just like in life Jim, when you fight you win some, and you lose some. But if you don't fight you lose them all.

2: Two Maintenance Overhaul bases closed in Oakland and Indianapolis. Damn Jim, do you not feel the slightest bit guilty writing these lies? WHY don't you continue to write in this flyer that it was under the IAM that these bases were closed. That AMFA was NOT on the property at UAL when the language was written to allow these bases to be close. Why don't you explain to the readers that the AMTs at UAL at these bases were placed on Authorized No Pay, ANP, which effectively removed these AMTs from payroll. They were not fired they just did not come to work or get a check. Kinda like creative twu terminology for laid off. Well, while on this ANP these AMTs were NOT permitted to vote on concession language that allowed the OUTSOURCING of their very jobs? Why is this information not included in the twu flyer?

3: Unlimited outsourcing of heavy maintenance -- including a new $2 billion contract to Pratt & Whitney. See the above. This was language negotiated by the IAM and NOT AMFA. AMFA simply inherited bad contract language.

4: Pension under-funded -- currently asking Congress for a bailout. Was the person who came up with this kernel of information into his/her second or third six pack? Why do you once again try to depict this as a fault of AMFA's? It is because of bad management that pensions are under funded.

5: New medical costs imposed on retirees. POP! There goes another beer can opening Jim. Are you trying to say that AMFA is at fault for UAL TRYING to screw retirees? Print the TRUTH Jim! UAL is trying to raise these costs to retirees NOT AMFA. As a matter of fact AMFA is fighting for these retirees. That is exactly what I want from a union. I want them to fight for me while I am employed AND while I am retired.

6: $71 million wasted on bankruptcy process. ???


( Give me a second I am flipping the flyer over.)

OK, on the back of the flyer you state that, "AFTER GAINING THE RIGHT TO THE UNLIMITED OUTSOURCING OF HEAVY MAINTENANCE IN BANKRUPTCY COURT, UNITED AIRLINES RECENTLY MADE THE STUNNING ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THEY HAVE ENTERED INTO A $2 BILLION CONTRACT WITH PRATT & WHITNEY TO PERFORM MAINTENANCE WORK OVER THE NEXT 10 TEARS." The teamtwu presses should have stopped printing right here. This "UNLIMITED OUTSOURCING" was "GAINED" by the iam. The mirror image of the twu. WHY are you blaming AMFA for something they did not negotiate?

( Opening up to the inside of the twu liar, I mean flyer.)

Jim, YOU write that as director of the twu atd you are writing about a choice that was made by a vote of 7,021 to 6.318 to accept concessions. Why the twu has not been removed before now escapes me. By your facts this concession package passed by 703 votes. Why do YOU not write and inform the reader that 3000 AMTs did NOT receive a PIN to vote for or against the concessions? WHY is that Jim? Also, explain to everyone WHY a one time change of the bylaws was permitted to allow the use of electronic voting whereby an individual, ( one that had a PIN), could change his/her vote from YES to NO to YES to NO as many times as they wished? I have never been afforded this "luxury" to change my ballot once cast. I guess this is the twu's interpretation of democracy. Manipulate the vote to achieve the outcome the twu wants. Or should I say the outcome the company wants?
The people pictured in the flyer are all in my craft and class? How do I know this Jim? Are there any Ramp or Stores or clerical pictured? My point is that I do not trust the twu and how do I know these people pictured have a direct interest/influence on my "sacrifices"? Since the teamtwu had Teamsters and Stores outside the Brady Theatre in Tulsa Oklahoma on January 17th of this year, ( who by the way would NOT have a voice in MY craft and class representational election), standing next to a trailer with a coffin on it while chanting, "Scab! Scab! Scab!" you can understand my doubtfulness.
Why do you go on to say that AMFA is trying to destroy "our" union? Jim, I don't have a "union" I have a dues collecting international appointed ( unelected) officials that do not care who does what job as long as they are a dues paying twu member. Like the osm/srp. A "union" fights FOR the membership not AGAINST the membership. Why does the flyer NOT explain why unelected international officials removed elected officials from office. You know of which I am referring to. I am pointing to the Kangaroo Court constructed to remove Bob Owens and Chuck Schalk from the 562 Local in New York.
In bankruptcy you tell the entranced reader that a judge has the authority to completely reject a contract if a union refuses concessions. Again you speak in half truths. A union should honestly look at the companies books and see if concessions are warranted or if maybe SHRINKING the airline is necessary. Just because a union does not want to accept UNNECESSARY concession will the contract be thrown out the window. There are steps needed to be taken before that takes place... if at all. But the twu and yourself would not want the reader to know this because it would warrant the twu to actually stand up to the company and fight for the membership. ( There is that pesky reference of fighting FOR the membership.) Another question Jim, if concessions were needed to help cAArty to stay rich why did you and the twu not have a snap back clause? Why must we wait five long years to try and get back to where I was at. A position that AMFA negotiated for me since they negotiated a $7.00 hr raise for NWA AMTs and the twu just had to follow.

I am writing to you to ask for answers. You elected not to appear at a debate between the twu and the AMFA. I am also sending this e-mail to other AA employees in my craft and class because I believe they are interested in the truth. And by reading your "third mailing" it certainly is not being told. The damage done by the twu's inability to protect my profession is inescapable. However, I can escape the ever loosening grip the twu has on my craft and class. It would have been nice to see you print in the flyer that AMFA now has EIGHT airlines and represents more AMTs than the twu. You might have also included the fact that since AMFA has been voted to represent my craft and class at these eight airlines they are still in place. If AMFA is such a destructive force in my industry why are they GAINING memberships and the industrial unions are losing memberships? I respectively wait a reply.

Sincerely,
Ken MacTiernan
AMT Crew Chief SAN
AMFA Organizer/Supporter
AMFA Associate Member
Hand Paying
Knowledge-Skill-Integrity
 
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CIO, since you seem to be the self appointed spokesman for the TWU on this bb. Why don't you respond to this rebuttal to the TWU mailing that was full of lies and deciet. Won't Jim Little let you since he does not appear to be willing to respond.
Come on big man we are all waiting.
 
Larry, CIO can only tell you, "you're lucky to have a job"

That's his all in one answer!
 
Larry I believe a response is forth coming. And was addressed to Jim Little.

Self Appointed? Yes as a member I take pride in knowing, I'm making a difference! The vast majority of participation here is volunteers that hold no office. But are willing to fight for what they believe in.
 
CIO,

Sorry to deflate your bubble, but, Federal Judges in Massachusetts and New York have said that the TWU International OWNS your contract, not the Membership or the Individual Member, and that the President of the TWU International may interpret, modify, or change any provision of any individual labor agreement and/or the Union Constitution so long as that interpretation is not "patently unreasonable", while also giving extreme deference to the Unions' interpretation of said interpretation.

Sonny Hall can do what he wants. Jim Little, as Sonny Halls' appointee to the ATD is covered by Sonny. The TWU Presidents' Council and the Negotiations ByLaws were ruled null and void by a Federal Judge.

We cannot directly elect Sonny Hall and the International/ATD Members beneath him nor can we remove them. With AMFA we have both options.

Sayonnorah Baby!
 
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Checking it Out said:
Larry I believe a response is forth coming. And was addressed to Jim Little.

Self Appointed? Yes as a member I take pride in knowing, I'm making a difference! The vast majority of participation here is volunteers that hold no office. But are willing to fight for what they believe in.
CIO, it appears the only thing you and the TWU are fighting for or believe in are Industry leading concessions and preserving union dues at the cost of every members pay and benifits. How low are you willing to go? Oh, this must be the part where you say " At least you have a job". You idiot WAKE UP CIO. What's it going to take? An anvil to the head.
 
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Checking it Out said:
Larry I believe a response is forth coming. And was addressed to Jim Little.

Self Appointed? Yes as a member I take pride in knowing, I'm making a difference! The vast majority of participation here is volunteers that hold no office. But are willing to fight for what they believe in.
That's ok CIO we won't be needing a response after March 15th, believe me. So tell Jimmy to take his time and sit on his hands as usual. Their is no need to communicate with the members.They just pay his salary. What possibly does he owe us? BYE TWU HELLO AMFA.
 
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Hmmm still no rebuttal from CIO on Mr. Mactiernans comments on the fLIAR that the TWU sent to our homes. What gives CIO did you run out of steam or do9 you just not want to dispute the facts. I mean what could you possibly have to say except that the TWU are a bunch of lying rotten scoundrels. C'mon CIO WAKE UP and come out of your coma. Their is a great big AMFA world waiting for you. Enough lies and deciet from the TWU. AMFA 2004. Got it. Good. By the way I never got your name. Why are yo afraid to post your real name. If you can't answer on this bb feel free to call me anytime in San Diego A/C maiint.
 
Wow,

CIO and his minions are quiet...must mean that they are awaiting an "injection" of knowledge beneath the "little" table at the "hall" altar.
 
Federal Judges in Massachusetts and New York have said that the TWU International OWNS your contract, not the Membership or the Individual Member



Since a federal judge ruled that the twu owns that contract maybe they could keep it after we boot them and have AMFA negotiate us a new one
 
Dissident,

Sorry, we are stuck with this one until '08 unless the company agrees to open it in '06 which coincidentally is the expiration date for allowing the airlines to underfund their pensions.
 
Boomer said:
CIO,

Sorry to deflate your bubble, but, Federal Judges in Massachusetts and New York have said that the TWU International OWNS your contract, not the Membership or the Individual Member, and that the President of the TWU International may interpret, modify, or change any provision of any individual labor agreement and/or the Union Constitution so long as that interpretation is not "patently unreasonable", while also giving extreme deference to the Unions' interpretation of said interpretation.

Sonny Hall can do what he wants. Jim Little, as Sonny Halls' appointee to the ATD is covered by Sonny. The TWU Presidents' Council and the Negotiations ByLaws were ruled null and void by a Federal Judge.

We cannot directly elect Sonny Hall and the International/ATD Members beneath him nor can we remove them. With AMFA we have both options.

Sayonnorah Baby!
Boomer;

Wasnt the decision in Mass really more related to control of the union, not the contract? In other words that the Presidents council, and for that matter the members, since the Local Presidents are as high as accountability to the members goes, had no real authority and Sonny had pretty much a free hand at running the union as he saw fit, while the NY decision said that the International also owned the contract and could modify it at will, without member ratification?

In other words, by combining those two decisions, based upon the courts interpretation of the TWU Constitution, members of the TWU, by remaining in the TWU, agree to be members of an organization that has no accountabilty to the members, either in the administration, structure or practices of the union nor to the agreements that they put in place.

Basically those two decisions reveal the true nature of the organization. An organization that is free to set its own agenda, such as increasing membership-AT ANY COST TO THE MEMBERS, because the members have no authority over the union either as individuals or though those they are allowed to elect.
 
Bob,

Sorry to be sooo late in returning your question, but, given the events over the last two years; we now know that the TWU is capable and legally allowed to do most anything it wants as long as Judges look the other way.

Given the recent turn in Electoral Politics: I trust that Power to the People will turn things around.
 
Thanks for the answer, but I wouldnt count on it. Whether its heads or tails its still the same coin.

Politics in America is no different than professonal sports. The only difference is there are only two teams in the whole league. We are merely spectators and no matter which side we choose to allign ourselves with the end result is no matter which side wins they both get richer and we come out empty handed.
 

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