Lesson's to learn from other unions at AA

[737823]

Anyone remember IMA F/A Juan Barrera who "resigned" in March 2010 over a dispute of union paid apartments? I think he had sold his home and was living with family members but the rationale was that the union ended up paying his living expenses and he acted as if paying the money back "let him keep his good name".

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/48451-scandal-at-apfa/

Josh

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

 Not sure why you think some dude named Jerry has the corner on giving out this benefit? Maybe this Jerry dude is all things travel at USAir, but never heard of him here.

Your already done fool.
 
Jerry Glass ate your lunch and you don't even know it.
 
Know your enemy.
 
Union presidents do not get  A5 for life.
 
AArogance equals IIgnorance.

 

[john john]

Not sure why you think some dude named Jerry has the corner on giving out this benefit? Maybe this Jerry dude is all things travel at USAir, but never heard of him here.

Your knowledge of negotiations and bargaining show your insightfulness

 

[737823]

Your already done fool.
 
Jerry Glass ate your lunch and you don't even know it.
 
Know your enemy.
 
Union presidents do not get  A5 for life.
 
AArogance equals IIgnorance.

Laura Glading as did some of the TWU officials.

Josh

 

[IORFA]

HAHAHAHA!

 

[eolesen]

A5 is a positive space first class ticket where they will displace a paying passenger and it can be used for business or pleasure.

The fair value of revenue displaced by personal A2/A4/A5/A6/A8 travel is also considered taxable income for those who use it. So it's not free to the employee or retiree using it by any means.

Because of the imputed income, there are people who have reserved space A privileges who elect to travel D2 or D2R, since it's not taxable.
 

So if LG retires as president she gets far higher than D2R?
 
Is this benefit afforded by the company or is it written into the constitution?
 
Sure sounds like a pretty good LIFETIME BENEFIT allowed by the company.
 
I'll make you a wager that LG retires as president before the next election.
 
What kind of union allows this?
 
Is this not a conflict of interest in anyones mind?

 
It's not a benefit. It's a privilege afforded to the presidents of APFA, APA, TWU, and every other union that has been on the property at AA since the 1980's if not earlier (travel before 1980 is a bit fuzzy because IRS regs changed right after deregulation, and there were lots of changes to how employee travel was managed).

Given all the turmoil with labor over the past 35 years, if anyone thought it was a conflict of interest, they could have brought it up at any number of opportunities in the past 35 years...

In my opinion, there's no conflict since the only way it has any value is if the company is around long enough for the person to be able to use the privilege. I'd think that having the company remain in business wouldn't be a conflict of interest, but maybe in your "choke the golden goose" mindset, it is.

Feel free to propose a constitutional amendment for future officials to refuse this if you want to.
 

So LG gets A++ status upon retirement as APFA president but it's not written anywhere?
 
That is just wrong and should be illegal.
 
Do any other AA union presidents have this benefit?

 
It's written in stone within AA's travel policy. And yes, every other AA union president has it during their tenure, as do a few other union officials who travel extensively for union/company business purposes.
 

Know your enemy.
 
Union presidents do not get  A5 for life.
 
AArogance equals IIgnorance.

The ignorance is quite clear, and getting clearer with every post you make.

 

[AirLUVer]

Basically you are saying that Union workers should just accept whatever the company offers.  Then why have a Union at all? 

 
This is not Section 6 Negotiations, this is a JCBA.  Take what you can get out of the company this time, and use it as a basis for your next contract.

 

[AirLUVer]

 
Wow that was fast. LG's minion working overtime.
 
So you see NO confict of interest when a union leader is given, let's assume an A5 when they retire, which in LGs case should be tomorrow. No more wedding invites for her...or phone calls.
 
Win lose or draw you get FIRST CLASS WITH BUMPING RIGHTS TO REVENUE PAX for the rest of your LIFE!
 

 

[IORFA]

E, stop using facts. It confuses her/him! It's easier to keep talking in circles without ever comprehending the question, let alone the answer!

 

[Bob Owens]

 
This is not Section 6 Negotiations, this is a JCBA.  Take what you can get out of the company this time, and use it as a basis for your next contract.

Ok, agreed, but why agree to extend a bad deal thats just slightly improved? As I've said all along, I would be against a deal that extends the term and did not include profit sharing. Sure your gains in JCBA will pretty much be limited to what the company feels they will gain in synergies, but the sooner you get to Sect 6 the better. 

 

[AirLUVer]

Ok, agreed, but why agree to extend a bad deal thats just slightly improved? As I've said all along, I would be against a deal that extends the term and did not include profit sharing. Sure your gains in JCBA will pretty much be limited to what the company feels they will gain in synergies, but the sooner you get to Sect 6 the better. 

 
 
By your reasoning tho, you are losing potentially 2 to 4 years of income.  Just to shorten by 2 more years your time before section 6.  Monetizing that loss over a period of time, and then knowing you are giving yourself that much less of a base for a pay raise.

 

[Bob Owens]

 
 
By your reasoning tho, you are losing potentially 2 to 4 years of income.  Just to shorten by 2 more years your time before section 6.  Monetizing that loss over a period of time, and then knowing you are giving yourself that much less of a base for a pay raise.

Maybe thats how you see it, not following your thought process though.  How many years of income did you lose when you were negotiating under an amendable contract? In this industry you continue to work under the old contract till you get an amended one, a shorter term would give you the opportunity to stake your claim on AA's windfall, a long contract will keep you on the sidelines stuck with concessions that go as far back as 2003 while the company is boasting record profits. I guess you weren't around in the 90s, or if so maybe you weren't in management then. 
 
What you negotiate will be influenced just as much by what others are making as what you start off with, if it ends up in a PEB what others make will have even more of an impact than what you start off with. 
 
Wouldn't this deal have taken you till the end of 2019 had it passed? 
 
The fact is that Contracts lock in the labor side, not the company. Long term contracts are especially bad deals for labor, it doesn't guarantee you a job and you can't negotiate anything better till the contract becomes amendable.
 
Have you actually figured out how much that raise comes out to after estimating increased out of pocket medical costs? As I said earlier when we looked at it it came out to an average of $7000 per year. Over $3000 just for the coverage, then the deductibles, then the copays. Every bit of those measly 2% raises will likely be consumed by Medical and a good chunk of the 9% as well. In the meantime Delta and United Flight attendants will match and exceed your pay before you are halfway through the contract and get profit sharing on top of that. 
 
Some say that there is risk as well, yes thats true, but all the things they brought up have pretty much had zero impact, Ebola, ISIS, no impact whatsoever. people still have to go places.