Latest Iam Leter Of Agreement

[diogenes]

The alphabet soup of organizations that you affiliate with will be your demise! Honestly the only people who REALLY CARE what happens at U is YOU!

Make that your strength! One Union, One Voice. A 20,000 voice chior sings alot louder than a several 5,000 voice ones do. They also sing from the same hymnal, no divide and conquer.

With one voice you negotiate the contract that works for US Airways AND those that work there. You tailor the contract to the unique and specific conditions that exist at US with the goal of fat profits and fat profit sharing checks.

Now they play you against each other and look where you are. AMFA isn't the answer and neither is outsourcing the Airbus work.

The answer lies within each of you! Stand up create the union that works for YOU! No AFL-CIO, no Teamsters to dictate to you, just YOU for YOU & U!

"one big union in the sky, bye and bye!"

Bob, I'm sure you know your history. I agree!

Here's the rub.

To get to one U union, we have to decertify the ones we have. Then reorganize. In the interim, we're naked. Given recent events at U, would that be prudent? In the short to mid term, coalition is the, while flawed, best tool we have.

Or, we could go the AMFA/AGW/PFAA route.

From previous posts, you know I fail to see the wisdom of that approach. And even if we AMFA'd, AGW'd and PFAA'd, we'd STILL be divided, with different nationals, different leadership, etc. In other words, right back where we started from. Doesn't sound like progress, does it?

 

[cat 111]

High Iron

Nice post. Lavboy forgot the IAM allowed United to farm out all of their heavy maint.

 

[LavMan]

Cat111, the membership ratified that and what about amfa, they permit farmouts at NWA, Alaksa, ACA, Mesaba, Horizon, ATA and Southwest.

What about that?

 

[TDR1502C]

Cat111, the membership ratified that and what about amfa, they permit farmouts at NWA, Alaksa, ACA, Mesaba, Horizon, ATA and Southwest.

What about that?

Lavman, rather than mince words on your previous quibling responses, how about answering a question on the UAL ratification vote (IAM representated, pre-AMFA). Was it 70% of the membership voted to approve the concessionary farmout-allowing contract, or was it 70% of those who voted approved the contract.

70% of the membership approved
or
70% of those who voted approved

Help stop the confusion.

 

[cat 111]

Lav

I'm sure the membership at united knew they were voting themselves out of a job !!! I wonder who counted the votes !!!

 

[E-TRONS]

Hey LAVMAN, I recall the first AMFA election at UAL...you know the one where the IAM INSISTED TO THE NMB that NON-DUES PAYING MANAGEMENT PERSONNEL WERE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE IN THE ELECTION. I think there were about 1200 or so
INELIGIBLE VOTERS that helped de-rail AMFA at that time. And let's not forget the FORCED RE-VOTE due to our CONFUSION!!

So what should I think of the IAM for doing such abominable things?? Trust them?? NO WAY :down:

The IAM will go to all lengths to preserve the cash influx into upper Marlboro. Have to keep that LEARJET flying you know.....and the GOLF COURSE....and the Pension Fund scam going. And last but not least, those 77 law firms who do who the heck knows what!!

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It's been said that when someone repeatedly lies and deceives those around him,
eventually he will begin to believe his own lies too. Know anyone that fits that description?? Hint: IAM.

Great post HIGH IRON...I can always count on you to raise the bar.

E-TRONS OUT.

 

[delldude]

Hey LAVMAN, I recall the first AMFA election at UAL...you know the one where the IAM INSISTED TO THE NMB that NON-DUES PAYING MANAGEMENT PERSONNEL WERE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE IN THE ELECTION. I think there were about 1200 or so
INELIGIBLE VOTERS that helped de-rail AMFA at that time. And let's not forget the FORCED RE-VOTE due to our CONFUSION!!

So what should I think of the IAM for doing such abominable things?? Trust them?? NO WAY :down:

The IAM will go to all lengths to preserve the cash influx into upper Marlboro. Have to keep that LEARJET flying you know.....and the GOLF COURSE....and the Pension Fund scam going. And last but not least, those 77 law firms who do who the heck knows what!!



It's been said that when someone repeatedly lies and deceives those around him,
eventually he will begin to believe his own lies too. Know anyone that fits that description?? Hint: IAM.

Great post HIGH IRON...I can always count on you to raise the bar.

E-TRONS OUT.

AMFA Rules Let Northwest Close Atlanta Base,
Farm Out Many Hundreds
of Mechanic Jobs;
Will AMFA Lose Continental Mechanic Jobs, Too?
Whenever AMFA makes a claim about their contract at Northwest Airlines, remember that AMFA gave management a green light to subcontract up to 38% of the Northwest mechanic work hours to repair stations, including non-union and foreign stations. AMFA’s job protection loophole increased the amount of permissible subcontracting by almost 150%! That huge loophole has allowed Northwest to shut down its Atlanta repair base just last month and eliminate over 1,000 mechanic jobs. How many mechanic jobs will disappear forever to subcontracting? You can bet AMFA won’t tell you!

Under the IAM’s Northwest Contract the IAM was able to file grievances to contest subcontracting by the Company. AMFA gave up that right when it gave the Company a free hand to subcontract. AMFA can’t do anything about subcontracting so long as NWA doesn’t exceed 38% of work hours. You can bet Northwest management knows how to massage those numbers so it can farm out union jobs to low cost repair stations.

You might ask what union would ever agree to let management eliminate almost 40% of union work through subcontracting? Well, no real union ever would and the Teamsters Union consistently negotiates scope restrictions in mechanic contracts to prevent those management tactics. But the AMFA “Association†with its management lawyers, real estate property managers and nonexistent negotiators lets management get away with it. What else can you expect from a “virtual union†that exists only on the internet?

In fact, AMFA is being sued right now by Northwest mechanics who claim that AMFA blew a grievance against 9/11 layoffs by failing to follow contract procedures and that the “Association†failed to file grievances to dispute Company subcontracting. The judge found that nothing refuted the mechanics’ claim that AMFA had failed to file grievances. Not only did AMFA not file grievances on Company subcontracting, the mechanics claim that it misled them into not filing grievances on their own! AMFA presented nothing to the judge to dispute the mechanics’ allegation. So that’s AMFA “representation.†Screw up filing grievances where members’ jobs are on the line and then mislead them into giving up their own right to file a grievance!

When you think about protecting your job against cut-rate subcontracting, remember, the Teamsters Union fights to preserve bargaining-unit work and AMFA gives it away, either by contract or incompetence!
AMFA's Failure to Represent Its Members
AMFA has been in negotiations for the Alaska Airline mechanics for many months. During this time, AMFA failed to bring the legal assistance to the table that it had promised the mechanics. Instead, AMFA left a negotiating committee of untrained mechanics to do the best they could without legal assistance. The result is that AMFA, advised by their real estate specialists (McCormick Group), failed to negotiate any significant improvements in wages, benefits, or work rules.

Through AMFA's agreement, the final contract will be approved by an arbitrator rather than being put to a vote by the mechanics who have a stake in the outcome. This is baseball arbitration and it is what airline managements are working so hard to get Congress to approve. The results of such an arbitration are predictable: minor tweaks will be made here and there, leaving the Alaska Airline mechanics far behind the industry, especially those represented by real unions. This is not even take it or leave it, it is simply take it—the Alaska Airline mechanics have no choice. So much for an association that claims to be democratic!

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Northwest Invokes Right To Unlimited, Unrestricted
Subcontracting of Technician and Cleaner Work

Nothing progressive in AMFA victory, argues United Airlines worker
AMFA Puts Future of United
Airlines and its Employees at Risk

Recalled amfa President Gives Inside Account of the amfa Circus



In the wake of the recent Alaska Airlines tragedy, there has been a renewed interest in amfa's participation in recalling it's Alaska Local 37 President for "conduct unbecoming an officer". His 'unbecoming conduct' consisted of informing the FAA of safety violations by members of Alaska management. Being the airline industries company union of choice, amfa fully supported managements attempts to discredit Mr. Liotine.

On August 30, 1999 John Liotine wrote a letter to amfa National Director O.V. Delle-Femine, requesting an appeal of the decision of the trial committee that recalled him from office. He also documents how management has seized control of the amfa local, and amfa's violations of the Labor Management Disclosure Act, and even its own Constitution, in its zeal to give Alaska management the satisfaction it demanded for having its negligent management practices exposed.

Recently, a UAL amfa supporter on the amfa website asked Delle-Femine why the amfa national wasn't taking a bigger role in supporting Mr. Liotine against Alaska management, which forced him into "administrative leave" shortly after the letter below was written. Delle's response :

"Seeing that you have brought up John Liotine's name (which surprises me again, because he is from Alaska, Local 37 and is not a UAL employee); Is John Liotine before the FAA regarding a FAR violation?
Has John Liotine been fired from his carrier? Both answers are no. So Joe what is your problem? You are not an AMFA officer. I take exception of your continuous interference in Local 37 matters as well as your unfounded, scurrilous rhetoric that demeans the local officers. Shame on you. Further, you didn't mention everything that was said at that meeting.
I urge you to collect cards from UAL-SFO so we can have an election. The line stations are waiting for some SFO leadership, as we had in the past, to join them."


Delle makes his point very clear. 'Don't question anything I do, just increase my bank account.'

After reading the lengthy document, no fair person will be able to deny that the concept of fairness and autonomy amfa peddles is nothing more than a sham.

 

[cat 111]

Delldud,

WHAT DID THE IAM DO AT UNITED ???? IN CASE YOU JUST GOT BACK FROM MARS, THE IAM GAVE AWAY ALL OF UNITED'S HEAVY MAINTENANCE. THE FIGHTING MACHINIST SURE SHOWED UNITED'S MGT. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS HERE.

 

[E-TRONS]

DELLDUDE, The 38% farmout at NWA is DOWN FROM 100%!!! I SAW THE IAM/NWA CONTRACT LANGUAGE DIRECTLY FROM THEIR "BLUEBOOK." THAT'S SOME IRON CLAD IAM LANGUAGE ALRIGHT.

Additionally that is 38% of the MAINTENANCE BUDGET....NOT OUT RIGHT AS UNDER THE IAM's LANGUAGE.

See UAL: 100% PLUS 20% OF ANY REMAINING MAINTENANCE RELATED WORK!!! :huh:

Where do you get your info??? It is obvious to me that LAVMAN is your source <_< .

Any bad reports about the AMFA at NWA are undoubtedly from disgruntled IAM faithfuls that lost their positions. Once a liar always a liar!!

Oh yeah....AMFA is so terrible...HOW IS THAT IAM CARD DRIVE DOING AT NWA???
GIVE ME SOME NUMBERS!!!

I personally met with these AMFA PROFESSIONALS in CLT and was THOROUGHLY IMPRESSED. They were something that I had never imagined a union could be.
The power at the AMFA local level was impressive. Just imagine settling a dispute on the local level.....IAM does that all the time don't they??

Once again DELLDUDE you fail to take heed......GET SOME SEASONING!!!!!

E-TRONS OUT.

 

[LavMan]

E-trons, answer this how come under the IAM NWA employed 9,500 AMTS and now under AMFA they have just over 5,000 with a 38% farmout which is being exceded to 45%?

How come they have members on layoff when their contract says if one member is laid off they can't vendor out any work?

 

[High Iron]

E-trons, answer this how come under the IAM NWA employed 9,500 AMTS and now under AMFA they have just over 5,000 with a 38% farmout which is being exceded to 45%?

How come they have members on layoff when their contract says if one member is laid off they can't vendor out any work?

There you go again...popping up again like a patch of crabgrass after temporarily running out of 'Roundup'.

"E-trons, answer this how come under the IAM NWA employed 9,500 AMTS and now under AMFA they have just over 5,000"

---So it was 4000 left, then 4500, now it's 5000? Keep trying, till you get to the correct figure of just over 6000 AMT's.

"with a 38% farmout which is being exceded to 45%?"

---Again, you are aware that the same ( obsolete ) table you continue to use as your ultimate trump card indicates USAirways with a 50% farm-out rate, aren't you? It obviously is based on different criteria for different carriers eh?

"How come they have members on layoff when their contract says if one member is laid off they can't vendor out any work?"

---Actually they've brought more work in-house due to retaining headcount. You heard it like we did. And don't forget the force-majeur stick that's been wielded by many a company without much discrimination. In any case, sounds like a legitimate grievance...and one I have more faith in their one law firm than I would our much ballyhooed 77.

 

[E-TRONS]

LAVMAN, You need some new material. It's really getting weak.

YES, NWA is exceeding their cap and AMFA HAS A COURT DATE TO ADDRESS THIS. Even you know that it takes time to get your day in court. This is just another example of how airline MIS-MANAGEMENT will try to abrogate their current labor agreements.....JUST LIKE AT IAM REPRESENTED U-S AIRWAYS!!!!

YES, NWA lost many maint personnel AND SO DID U-S AIRWAYS....LIKE 43% OF OUR MEMBERSHIP!!! The big difference here is that NWA MECHANICS & RELATED ARE AT THEIR FULL WAGES, BENEFITS, VACATION ETC.!!! Imagine that, AMFA TOLD NWA NO CONCESSIONS AND THE IAM WAS MAD?????????? Explain that situation.....no let me.

THE IAM RUSHED TO NEGOTIATE CONCESSIONS PERIOD!!!! WHY WHY WHY???? AMFA proved concessions were premature at NWA and said SEE US WHEN OUR CONTRACT IS AMENDABLE......LIKE A UNION SHOULD. This speaks volumes in the difference between the AMFA and the COMPANY FRIENDLY IAM. They are but a few steps away from being a YELLOW-DOG UNION.......COMPANY RUN!!!!!

Now go and rehearse for your next blathering post!!!

E-TRONS OUT.

 

[to much time to quit]

Lavman, it looks like its time for you to wave the white surrender flag. Like you said this is the time for all of us to stick together. Especially with the IAM trainers heading to Alabama on monday. So just STOP throwing fuel on the fire!
Remember listen to SCHULTZ.
You Know Nothing!