Labor And Management

[mweiss]

What you are not correct in is unions operate on "democratic principles". Not an entity that is pulic for profit.

Actually, unions are democratic republics in design. You don't all sit at the table for every negotiation; you vote for representatives (the key feature of a republic). When it comes to contracts, you all vote up or down on them (the key feature of a democracy).

Supposedly the United States Government is republican (little R) in nature as well. Technically, not an entity that is for profit, but you see where that goes. Unions are run by people. People have agendas that don't necessarily represent those they claim to represent, whether in a union or a government.

There are no unions who have ever put a company or industry out of business.

This is only true if you look in a vacuum. None of this is that simple.

In fact, if you know history of labor, labor has always stepped up to the plate and have given back even more than they ever were given through binding contacts and negotiations.

Often, yes. Always, no.

I only know of this from my experience as a union member for AFA and as a union member for nurses 1199P SEIU.

I've been a union member before, too. Surprised?

Unions strive for balance; not wealth.

In theory, yes. And, in practice, often the members feel it's true. However, union leaders strive for power and wealth. It's the one thing I hate most about the reality (not the idea) of unions.

 

[BoeingBoy]

In all fairness, there used to be a "company store" in the CLT hangar - I bought my last headset there. But that's been at least 10 - 15 years ago. Don't remember any mechanics working there - or F/A's either.

Jim

 

[pitguy]

Jim,

Thank you for all of your support. I think usfliboi
is trying to regroup. I know I am fed up after finding
out about the lies, but I must say I am not surprised.

 

[BoeingBoy]

pitguy,

I just figure that I'm the last person that should tell anyone else or any other group what they should do. Heck, I don't even appreciate those in my group telling me how I should feel about the decisions I may have to make.

FWIW, I do hope all those making all those recommendations to others are doing everything they can to save the company money - not taking vacation, not getting sick (or making the time up), etc. - maybe even sending every 3rd or 4th check back.

Jim

 

[700UW]

In all fairness, there used to be a "company store" in the CLT hangar - I bought my last headset there. But that's been at least 10 - 15 years ago. Don't remember any mechanics working there - or F/A's either.

Jim

It was run by stores, and only one stock clerk worked there and he is no longer with US Airways, he resigned.

 

[700UW]

you are incorrect

I worked in the hangar and in stores, tell me how I am wrong? That is a SIDA area, and you have to have a charlotte airport issued ID, and you don't.

 

[NeedForSpeedNFS]

hmmmm.. Quite a point. People dont like to hear that after x-amount of years, that they just might have to look for new employment. Not a great prospect for many, and I feel for those that think in that vane, But sometimes, reality sets in, and you do what needs to be done!! GOOD DAY....MORE LATER

 

[NeedForSpeedNFS]

Thank you so much mweiss for your concern even though you have no stake here it is heartening. I still say let it ride out. If the doors close so be it. I will find a better job.


--What is that you do? Maybe I can help you.

No hard feelings here pitguy, but, why wait for the doors to close if its that bad??? A LOT OF US are looking now

 

[PITbull]

In theory, yes. And, in practice, often the members feel it's true. However, union leaders strive for power and wealth. It's the one thing I hate most about the reality (not the idea) of unions.

I am not sure but I believe you agree with me in principle. Unless you are just rambling on your posts.


However, your quote above is once again making these assumptions that it is a general rule of thumb. Leaders do not strive for wealth and power, however, there have been leaders in history that have strived for wealth and power, but you cannot say that this is indicative of any leader or all leaders.
Same with union leaders. Your assumptions are inferring that it is the general order of the day that union leaders strive for power and wealth in reality.

Those assumptions are absurd, IMO.

I've noticed that when you particularly make your comments, you strive to present them as "fact", but really, it is only opinion.....yours.

Prime example is taking our AFA union. There isn't one union leader I know of that is wealthy... NOT EVEN 1 in in the entire organization. There is only 1 AFA rep that makes 108,000, and that is the International President ONLY. That is not wealth.

 

[mweiss]

I am not sure but I believe you agree with me in principle.

Sure, but we don't live in principle. We live in reality.

Your assumptions are inferring that it is the general order of the day that union leaders strive for power and wealth in reality.

Pretty close. I'm suggesting that past evidence points to that conclusion.

I've noticed that when you particularly make your comments, you strive to present them as "fact", but really, it is only opinion.....yours.

What? I'm supposed to post your opinions instead?

Prime example is taking our AFA union. There isn't one union leader I know of that is wealthy...

I think you misunderstand where I was going with the "power and wealth" comment. I'm not talking about Fortune 500 CEO-type wealth. What I'm referring to is the fact that, when push comes to shove and union leaders are forced to choose between their own job security and that of those they purport to represent, it's "me first." In other words, the nature of the job is, by design, a conflict of interest.

Does this mean that nobody ever overcomes a conflict of interest? Of course not. But one of the reasons so many rules are put in place to prevent conflicts of interest is that history has shown a significant correlation between conflicts of interest and decisions that benefit the decision-maker at the expense of the decision-maker's job responsibilities.

 

[usfliboi]

Jim,

Thank you for all of your support. I think usfliboi
is trying to regroup. I know I am fed up after finding
out about the lies, but I must say I am not surprised.

I am still here my friend alive and kicking. Sorry to dis appoint you and am glad you enjoy figuring out who i am . I know it is hard to believe for some to have most of your fellow employees who could dare disagree with your "opinions" about our work place. It is a fact of life there is more than one opinion out there. Argue that fact? The difference is how one deals with it. I am a Us airways flight att. I orig was with piedmont and have done many different things with this company starting as a tkt agt in gsp in 1983. I dont need to hide my who i am im not the one with "im not an employee" at the bottom of my thread. However im not the ones the company worries about. I believe we know the type the company doesnt want to represent it out here, however I choose to proudly say i work for this com pany and nothing to hide. Theres one person on these boards that most know who he is and I take my hat off to him because im sure he pays the price for it.

 

[usfliboi]

Give credit where credit is due... I believe I called this many many posts ago.

ROFL YOU GO !!!

 

[pitguy]

usfliboi,

Lying to deceive family hard working family people is not acceptable. You have falsely represented yourself here to gain trust in others. I do not know whatever you have for a personal agenda here, but you have stooped to the lowest level. Please look deep into your soul and see what you are made of. You will never be taken seriously here again.

 

[usfliboi]

usfliboi,

Lying to deceive family hard working family people is not acceptable. You have falsely represented yourself here to gain trust in others. I do not know whatever you have for a personal agenda here, but you have stooped to the lowest level. Please look deep into your soul and see what you are made of. You will never be taken seriously here again.

Did you ever take anyone seriously on here who didnt agree with you ? I can prove who i am can u ?

 

[pitguy]

usfliboi,
I feel no need to prove who I am as I am sure I have my share of "unfriendly's" here. You on the other hand have already proven who you are not and I truly do not care who you are. Please do not attack me any more. Stop attacking me! Isn't that how you say it? Father always said there is one thing in life you can not buy and you never know when you are going to need it and that is your reputation. I say you have spent yours here. Be well and do as you may, but rest assured the cat is out of the bag for you on these boards.