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So, who becomes the new VP of Flight?
Kudwa stepping down
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On 7/9/2003 12:55:21 PM FA Mikey wrote:
Two VP openings at AMR. The VP of flight and the VP of flight service.
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Without Key Employee Retention programs in place, look for AA to lose more senior executives in the near future.On 7/9/2003 12:55:21 PM FA Mikey wrote:
Two VP openings at AMR. The VP of flight and the VP of flight service.
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In related news, UAL is planning to offer KERP agreements to its management, and it will probably be approved by the bankruptcy court (over the FA''s objections).
Maybe AA should have filed afterall - it could then do a better job retaining its management.
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On 7/9/2003 1:27:46 PM MCI transplant wrote:
Not picking on anyone in particular, but with the current state of our company, maybe we do need some fresh blood in management! Let them go!!!!
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On 7/9/2003 1:27:46 PM MCI transplant wrote:
Not picking on anyone in particular, but with the current state of our company, maybe we do need some fresh blood in management! Let them go!!!!
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So true. If the management of all the majors is so great, why are they in so much trouble now. Let them all go, get some fresh blood in and the majors will be much better off.
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On 7/9/2003 1:18:41 PM FWAAA wrote:
In related news, UAL is planning to offer KERP agreements to its management, and it will probably be approved by the bankruptcy court (over the FA''s objections).
Maybe AA should have filed afterall - it could then do a better job retaining its management.
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Not picking on anyone in particular, but with the current state of our company, maybe we do need some fresh blood in management! Let them go!!!!On 7/9/2003 1:18:41 PM FWAAA wrote:
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On 7/9/2003 12:55:21 PM FA Mikey wrote:
Two VP openings at AMR. The VP of flight and the VP of flight service.
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Without Key Employee Retention programs in place, look for AA to lose more senior executives in the near future.On 7/9/2003 12:55:21 PM FA Mikey wrote:
Two VP openings at AMR. The VP of flight and the VP of flight service.
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In related news, UAL is planning to offer KERP agreements to its management, and it will probably be approved by the bankruptcy court (over the FA''s objections).
Maybe AA should have filed afterall - it could then do a better job retaining its management.
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On 7/9/2003 12:55:21 PM FA Mikey wrote:
Two VP openings at AMR. The VP of flight and the VP of flight service.
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I''m surprised that the "Arpey must be cleaning house" rumors haven''t started yet on this one the way it did with Jane Allen.On 7/9/2003 12:55:21 PM FA Mikey wrote:
Two VP openings at AMR. The VP of flight and the VP of flight service.
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michael707767
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"That''s it - the management at all the money-losing majors are to blame. Not just bad management at one or two of them, but bad management at ALL of them. Now there''s a coincidence for you."
Ok, I ask you, if management is not to blame, then who is? There are airlines that are still making money. The managers of the majors have made some very bad decisions which led to this crisis. Some if it is related to 9/11, no doubt. But more of it is related to failing to recognize you can''t screw business travelors forever, failing to see that the distribution of your tickets on the internet would destroy your pricing power, failing to see that you don''t spend billions buying back stock, failing to control spending during the boom times when you know the bad times are always around the corner in this industry, failing to recognize that the low cost carriers are indeed a threat, jumping in too soon with very low fares to bring pax back post 9/11, spending millions and millions of dollars either pursuing a bad merger(USAir/UAL) or actually consumating a bad merger (AA/TWA).
Sorry, but the current crop of leaders is stuck in the past. Airline travel has changed forever, it started happening 10 years ago. The management of the majors never adapted while the managers of the LCCs did adapt. I have no faith that the leadership of any of the majors is capable of thinking outside the box and making some real changes. Yes, responsibility for this rests solely on the shoulders of the management of these airlines.
Ok, I ask you, if management is not to blame, then who is? There are airlines that are still making money. The managers of the majors have made some very bad decisions which led to this crisis. Some if it is related to 9/11, no doubt. But more of it is related to failing to recognize you can''t screw business travelors forever, failing to see that the distribution of your tickets on the internet would destroy your pricing power, failing to see that you don''t spend billions buying back stock, failing to control spending during the boom times when you know the bad times are always around the corner in this industry, failing to recognize that the low cost carriers are indeed a threat, jumping in too soon with very low fares to bring pax back post 9/11, spending millions and millions of dollars either pursuing a bad merger(USAir/UAL) or actually consumating a bad merger (AA/TWA).
Sorry, but the current crop of leaders is stuck in the past. Airline travel has changed forever, it started happening 10 years ago. The management of the majors never adapted while the managers of the LCCs did adapt. I have no faith that the leadership of any of the majors is capable of thinking outside the box and making some real changes. Yes, responsibility for this rests solely on the shoulders of the management of these airlines.
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On 7/9/2003 3:30:21 PM michael707767 wrote:
"But more of it is related to failing to recognize you can''t screw business travelors forever,"
Well I guess they figured that if they could do it to their workers then why not the passengers?
On 7/9/2003 3:30:21 PM michael707767 wrote:
"But more of it is related to failing to recognize you can''t screw business travelors forever,"
Well I guess they figured that if they could do it to their workers then why not the passengers?
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On 7/9/2003 1:46:29 PM michael707767 wrote:
So true. If the management of all the majors is so great, why are they in so much trouble now. Let them all go, get some fresh blood in and the majors will be much better off.
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That''s it - the management at all the money-losing majors are to blame. Not just bad management at one or two of them, but bad management at ALL of them. Now there''s a coincidence for you.On 7/9/2003 1:46:29 PM michael707767 wrote:
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On 7/9/2003 1:27:46 PM MCI transplant wrote:
Not picking on anyone in particular, but with the current state of our company, maybe we do need some fresh blood in management! Let them go!!!!
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On 7/9/2003 1:27:46 PM MCI transplant wrote:
Not picking on anyone in particular, but with the current state of our company, maybe we do need some fresh blood in management! Let them go!!!!
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So true. If the management of all the majors is so great, why are they in so much trouble now. Let them all go, get some fresh blood in and the majors will be much better off.
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On 7/9/2003 3:30:21 PM michael707767 wrote:
Airline travel has changed forever, it started happening 10 years ago. The management of the majors never adapted while the managers of the LCCs did adapt.
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Everyone loves to compare to the LCCs but the airline workers at the legacy carriers don''t want the pay scales or work rules of the LCCs. You can''t have the success of the LCCs without paying the price.
On 7/9/2003 3:30:21 PM michael707767 wrote:
Airline travel has changed forever, it started happening 10 years ago. The management of the majors never adapted while the managers of the LCCs did adapt.
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Everyone loves to compare to the LCCs but the airline workers at the legacy carriers don''t want the pay scales or work rules of the LCCs. You can''t have the success of the LCCs without paying the price.
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On 7/9/2003 4
11 PM BDLDFW wrote:
Everyone loves to compare to the LCCs but the airline workers at the legacy carriers don''t want the pay scales or work rules of the LCCs. You can''t have the success of the LCCs without paying the price.
On 7/9/2003 4
11 PM BDLDFW wrote: Everyone loves to compare to the LCCs but the airline workers at the legacy carriers don''t want the pay scales or work rules of the LCCs. You can''t have the success of the LCCs without paying the price.
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want to bet. Have you compared wages at AA, UAL, USA to those at SW, or even Airtran lately? SW pilots are on track to be the highest paid in the industry. Same with SW mechanics. JetBlue captains make about 130k per year, not much less than an AA or USAir captain for similar equipment. Employee costs at the majors that have taken hits are getting close to the costs of the big three LCCs. But are those majors making money?
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On 7/9/2003 1:46:29 PM michael707767 wrote:
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On 7/9/2003 1:27:46 PM MCI transplant wrote:
Not picking on anyone in particular, but with the current state of our company, maybe we do need some fresh blood in management! Let them go!!!!
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On 7/9/2003 1:46:29 PM michael707767 wrote:
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On 7/9/2003 1:27:46 PM MCI transplant wrote:
Not picking on anyone in particular, but with the current state of our company, maybe we do need some fresh blood in management! Let them go!!!!
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So true. If the management of all the majors is so great, why are they in so much trouble now. Let them all go, get some fresh blood in and the majors will be much better off.
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