Kangaroo Court

[FWAAA]

Here's a press release from the TWU - hot off the presses.

TWU Blasts Toussaint Efforts to Undermine Industrial Unionism
Wednesday August 20, 1:01 pm ET


NEW YORK, Aug. 20 /PRNewswire/ -- TWU International Officers today criticized TWU Local 100 President Roger Toussaint and many members of his paid Local 100 staff for participating in a demonstration outside TWU headquarters in New York in support of a TWU airline Local 562 officer (Robert Owens), who is charged with aiding the efforts of a non-AFL-CIO craft union (Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association) to replace TWU as the collective bargaining representative among American Airlines aircraft mechanics.

TWU International Secretary Treasurer John J. Kerrigan stated: "TWU was founded as an industrial union to advocate for the needs of all workers, regardless of job title. For Roger Toussaint to offer this kind of support for a person charged with bringing in an organization, whose basic belief is that mechanics should have nothing to do with cleaners, baggage handlers, bus drivers and other blue collar jobs, to replace TWU at American Airlines is a total outrage to the very basic concept of our union and would have Mike Quill turning over in his grave."

James Little, Director of the TWU Airline Division said: "I am shocked and quite frankly furious that a TWU officer, Roger Toussaint, who knows nothing about what's going on at American Airlines, would give this kind of support and political cover to those in TWU who is trying to destroy this organization and replace it with AMFA. Shame on him."

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030820/nyw098_1.html

 

[twuer]

Today, Wednesday 8/20/03 is Bob Owens' day in the Kangaroo Court of Juctice. His fate is in the hands of a Sonny Hall appointed henchman and the Distict Attorney trying the case is "Sell Out the Members for an International Job" BOBBY GLESS." Tomorrow is Local 562 President Chuck Schalk's day in the same Kangaroo Court with the same TWU players twirling their nooses.

This is nothing more than an AMFA lynching. The TWU is running scared plain and simple. I doubt very much that Bob and Chuck will have a fair hearing or a positve outcome. I hope that (and i'm sure they will) lose this case, they seek real lawyers and take the TWU to a real court of justice and have a fair trial.

Just curious Hopeful, as a union member (regardless of what union you prefer) do you agree with what Bob and Chuck are doing? (representing one union and supporting another) A short and simple answer will suffice. No need to rant and rave!!

Little was elected at the constitutional convention, elected into office by the members! The delegates (whom WE vote in and are MEMBERS!!) vote at this convention. You do remember voting for convention delegates don't you? Or did you vote?

 

[RV4]

James Little, Director of the TWU Airline Division said: "I am shocked and quite frankly furious that a TWU officer, Roger Toussaint, who knows nothing about what's going on at American Airlines, would give this kind of support and political cover to those in TWU who is trying to destroy this organization and replace it with AMFA. Shame on him."

Why would it "DESTROY" the TWU if the Mechanic and Related workers left in favor of AMFA?

 

[RV4]

Just curious Hopeful, as a union member (regardless of what union you prefer) do you agree with what Bob and Chuck are doing? (representing one union and supporting another) A short and simple answer will suffice. No need to rant and rave!!

The "THOUGHT POLICE" twuer, even wants to control how you can answer a question on a public internet bulletin board? In there anything sacred from the "mind control" of the AFL-CIO/TWU?

Ever heard of FREE SPEECH and EXPRESSION?

 

[twuer]

Just curious Hopeful, as a union member (regardless of what union you prefer) do you agree with what Bob and Chuck are doing? (representing one union and supporting another) A short and simple answer will suffice. No need to rant and rave!!

The "THOUGHT POLICE" twuer, even wants to control how you can answer a question on a public internet bulletin board? In there anything sacred from the "mind control" of the AFL-CIO/TWU?

Ever heard of FREE SPEECH and EXPRESSION?

What the heck are you talking about? A bit paranoid aren't you?! h34r: Quit steppin' in on another man's question RV4. I merely asked a simple question that requires nothing more than a simple response. You always have to add your spin on something don't you??!!

It seems I asked this very question of you Dave, some time ago, and don't remember a response.

I'll tell you what. . .if you would like to answer the questoin posted to HOPEFUL than feel free to. I will respond accordingly.

 

[RV4]

Just curious Hopeful, as a union member (regardless of what union you prefer) do you agree with what Bob and Chuck are doing? (representing one union and supporting another) A short and simple answer will suffice. No need to rant and rave!!

I believe it was Jim Little and the TWU who decided seperate locals and self determination was the answer for the line mechanic during the last AMFA drive.

If the TWU decides to charter a local and nearly 100% of that local supports AMFA, how does one obtain anything other than a TWU Officer who supports AMFA and yet, is elected by the membership to lead the "seperate local"?

Seems to me, the TWU got exactly what they created!

No spin, just plain facts.

Local 562 is overwhemingly an AMFA supporting Local as well as most other Locals besides Tulsa Local 514. If you remove Bob and Chuck, then hold another election, I will bet money that the TWU will get another AMFA supporting President and Treasurer? Any doubts?

My personal opinion...

Taking an oath of allegiance to the TWU while supporting AMFA does have some crediblity issues that arise. But if there is such strong support for AMFA at Local 562, I think they need elected representatives, and it seems an AMFA supporter is the best leader. I don't know how to get around the oath and elect the best leaders. Seems to me we should all sign cards, go AMFA and get better leadership across the board, including Tulsa Oklahoma!

Bottom line is the TWU chartered Local 562 knowing full well they were very supportive of AMFA, expecting anything less than exactly what has occurred is not only stupid, but foolish. The fact remains that 8 Airlines are now represented by AMFA, 80-90% of the AA Line Mechanics are AMFA supporters, 70-80% of AFW at AA supports AMFA, did it ever occur to you that the Tulsa Mechanic that is still blinded by the LIES generated by Local 514 might actually be the problem?

twuer,

Despite our difference of opinions regarding TWU vs AMFA, you appear to be a good union man, and care deeply about the welfare of yourself, your family, and your co-workers. There is NO dispute that our union membership is deeply divided. The only way to reconcile is to have a Union Representation election. Given most TWU Officers view that an election would "destroy the TWU", they appear to know that AMFA will win the election, thus they are now attempting to prevent that election, which is nothing more than anti-American, and anti-Union in itself. Have you read the AMFA Constitution? Do you really believe in "strength in numbers"? Because the "NUMBERS" appear to be represented by AMFA. Why can't you just allow the membership to decide their own fate via an election, and if AMFA wins, put your efforts into running for Office under the most Democratic Constitution in Labor History?


You preach Solidarity.

Look up Solidarity in the Dictionary, the word is not a slogan, the word has both a definition and a meaning in the English Language.

sol•i•dar•i•ty

Pronunciation: (sol"i-dar'i-tE),
—n.,
—pl. -ties.
1. union or fellowship arising from common responsibilities and interests, as between members of a group or between classes, peoples, etc.: to promote solidarity among union members.
2. community of feelings, purposes, etc.
3. community of responsibilities and interests.

The National Mediation Board determines Craft or Class based on "mutuality of interest" and has determined that you have NO mutual interest with Fleet Service, Stock Clerks, Bus Drivers, ect.

Thus if SOLIDARITY means "fellowship arising from common responsibilities and interests", you should be able to see that you will have more SOLIDARITY in a UNION OF MECHANICS rather than a catch all, represent anybody who will pay dues union?

Or maybe you would care to explain in detail, how your interest and responsiblities are common to the Bus Driver, the Fleet Service Clerk, the Stock Clerk, the Dispatchers, the Railroad Workers, and ZEBCO Rod and Reel Makers?


JOIN THE REVOLUTION - VOTE AMFA NOW!

 

[Jim Martin]

TWUer

You are missing the point. 562 members voted in Chuck and Bob. The convention delegates voted in Sonny Hall. The delegates included many bus drivers and transit workers and not a lot of ATD people therefor, the ATD would not have won anyway. Sonny was a shoe in. Not to mention the delegates in TUL put there support behind Sonny. If Chuck and Bob are to be held acountable let there own members do it, not the international. Everyone in 562 new where Chuck and Bob stood on the issues.

Have a nice day

P.S. What is your name TWUer?

 

[Checking it Out]

Jim Martin I believe you were not at the convention. If you were you would at least tell the truth!

Is Roger from Local 100 the same one who ran against Sonny Hall during the last Convention?

If so you need to understand his beliefs and than you will understand the Individual!

The Question was simple, If you have any Morals, You would not be violating the TWU Constitution and resign your position if you were!

TWU SOLIDARITY!

 

[RV4]

Jim Martin I believe you were not at the convention. If you were you would at least tell the truth!

Is Roger from Local 100 the same one who ran against Sonny Hall during the last Convention?

If so you need to understand his beliefs and than you will understand the Individual!

The Question was simple, If you have any Morals, You would not be violating the TWU Constitution and resign your position if you were!

TWU SOLIDARITY!

So how then does the Local 562 Membership obtain replacement Officers? Are you goin to say that only those that do not support AMFA can run for election?

Good Luck finding an eligible candidate?

 

[Checking it Out]

You AMFA Supporters;

A Question for You!

What do you call it when Delle and the others in 1994 filed charges against MR.Underwood?

Is this what you call a Kangaroo court also or something else?


TWU SOLIDARITY! The Best Choice in Representation

 

[RV4]

You AMFA Supporters;

A Question for You!

What do you call it when Delle and the others in 1994 filed charges against MR.Underwood?

Is this what you call a Kangaroo court also or something else?

What was Mr. Underwood charged with CIO? When did this happen? What was the outcome?

Got any details for us?

 

[Jim Martin]

Checking it out.

I simply stated what I was told at a shop steward meeting in TUL. 514 put there support behind Sonny. I never said I was at the convention. You have to follow blindly inorder to go to that party. As far as morals go, I would never sell out the members for a job or money.

Why do all these TWU supporters hide behind a alias. Hell you talk the company line, you shouldn't need to hide.

Have a nice day.

 

[RV4]

PICTURES OF TODAYS PICKET OUTSIDE TWU HEADQUARTERS IN SUPPORT OF ROBERT OWENS!


Click here to see Pictures -TWU International Picketed by it's own members!


QUOTE OF THE DAY

TWU International Secretary Treasurer John J. Kerrigan stated: "TWU was founded as an industrial union to advocate for the needs of all workers, regardless of job title. For Roger Toussaint to offer this kind of support for a person charged with bringing in an organization, whose basic belief is that mechanics should have nothing to do with cleaners, baggage handlers, bus drivers and other blue collar jobs, to replace TWU at American Airlines is a total outrage to the very basic concept of our union and would have Mike Quill turning over in his grave."

 

[Superside]

Has anyone noticed that Mr. Little used a form of "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON" again!!! He used the same type of phrase in DFW (Jet bridge). Where he told MECH'S and others there," YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON".
MR. LITTLE WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU ARE ABOUT TO LOOSE MECHANICS AND RELATED AT AA.

 

[RUM@AA]

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The point is moot, as AFL-CIO unions have agreed not to "poach" on others.

Which eliminated competition, which led to complacency, which led to consessions. Why do a good job when you can't be replaced? If not for independent unions like AMFA keeping loser unions like the TWU's feet to the fire, we'd be in even worse shape.