June - IAM Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

And what do you expect the union to do?

What the company is doing is in the CBA.

 

[Uneed2no]

I know quite well what's going on, and I'll repeat what I've said before, Find the masses that are happy with the pace of things and the continual decimation of our group, cause I'm having a real hard time finding any!!

it's the pace of things and the inactivity over the past year or more that I've had enough of. Again actions speak louder than words, and from where I'm sitting things don't look a whole lot different then they did 5 years ago, Now that there's an election, there is a flurry of activity, weak at best....we can agree to dis-agree all day long, but something has to give here, enough is enough!!!!!

Since you know quite well what's going on, tell me what you expected from Delaney and his team the last few years. Your POS contract just became ammendable on January 1st of 2012. What did you expect them to do before that? Walk on water? So let me get this straight. The membership votes a President in back in 08, but the contract isn't ammendable until 2012, but you want to vote him and his team out right when they have a chance to do what they were voted in to do. Because according to you, things haven't happened fast enough. Of course the members aren't happy, but they should be unhappy with the old ticket whose contract we are still working under. Voting a team out, just when they're getting a chance to do what they were voted in for, makes no sense at all. And you want to say you know what's going on??? Ok, yeah, I believe you.

 

[Harry Callahan]

Why waste time making you a “believer”? It’s clear you are a Nelsonite that will attempt to discredit anything positive. You have been proven wrong repeatedly in these forums with facts and case history.

I have news... it won’t work... most of the Membership in CLT has demonstrated support for the 141/R! This will be clear on the 14[sup]th[/sup] of this month...

Good try though...

141 Rising!

I hope you're sure of that because I'm not seeing that in my little corner.
Harry

 

[cltrat]

I hope you're sure of that because I'm not seeing that in my little corner.
Harry

I see more indifference in my little corner than anything else

 

[Harry Callahan]

Can some one please tell me when Clt votes ?

Harry

 

[700UW]

It is posted in the work place, the district web site and the local lodge web site.

http://www.iam141.org/docs/msgr12spel.pdf

LOCAL LODGE 1725 June 14 6AM – 6PM
3100 Piper Lane, Suite C, Charlotte, NC 28208

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

t of 2012. What did you expect them to do before that? Walk on water? So let me get this straight. The membership votes a President in back in 08, but the contract isn't ammendable until 2012, but you want to vote him and his team out right when they have a chance to do what they were voted in to do. Because according to you, things haven't happened fast enough.

Like I said we can agree to dis-agree all day long, you have your opinion, and I have mine, and walk on water, no, never expected that, but please, our contract expiration date was 12/11, where is it in the IAM book that it says you have to wait until a contract expires before you start getting busy for one then take some lackadaisical approach once you do, it's the absolute non-sense of urgency to get this contract done that irritates most people, we set up negotiations, meet for a few hours, walk away with little to no progress and then we'll see you in 6-8 weeks, like I said, no sense of urgency whatsoever coming out of the District to get this done, and now we have a merger looming over our heads, so at this point it may very well be announced and implemented by the time we even get back to the table!!!!!

Acceptable, really????

So you tell me, is that good enough for you?

 

[pjirish317]

I see more indifference in my little corner than anything else

I think that is the real issue going on. But always remember, you get what you pay for, (voted for) in this instance.

 

[mike33]

Like I said we can agree to dis-agree all day long, you have your opinion, and I have mine, and walk on water, no, never expected that, but please, our contract expiration date was 12/11, where is it in the IAM book that it says you have to wait until a contract expires before you start getting busy for one then take some lackadaisical approach once you do, it's the absolute non-sense of urgency to get this contract done that irritates most people, we set up negotiations, meet for a few hours, walk away with little to no progress and then we'll see you in 6-8 weeks, like I said, no sense of urgency whatsoever coming out of the District to get this done, and now we have a merger looming over our heads, so at this point it may very well be announced and implemented by the time we even get back to the table!!!!!

Acceptable, really????

So you tell me, is that good enough for you?

Jimmy, you are more and more sounding " Overopinionated and under informed ". There is no expiration date PERIOD ! Negotiations are timetabled according to scheduling by both parties. For You?.......enough said if you don't understand what people have been trying to tell you.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Jimmy, you are more and more sounding " Overopinionated and under informed ". There is no expiration date PERIOD ! Negotiations are timetabled according to scheduling by both parties. For You?.......enough said if you don't understand what people have been trying to tell you.

Again, I am quite aware of the rules, laws and the ineptness of the NMB system and the company, but again, there seems to be no sense of urgency at all on the part of the District to get things moving, don't lecture me on the rules, been around long enough!!!

 

[700UW]

Like I said we can agree to dis-agree all day long, you have your opinion, and I have mine, and walk on water, no, never expected that, but please, our contract expiration date was 12/11, where is it in the IAM book that it says you have to wait until a contract expires before you start getting busy for one then take some lackadaisical approach once you do, it's the absolute non-sense of urgency to get this contract done that irritates most people, we set up negotiations, meet for a few hours, walk away with little to no progress and then we'll see you in 6-8 weeks, like I said, no sense of urgency whatsoever coming out of the District to get this done, and now we have a merger looming over our heads, so at this point it may very well be announced and implemented by the time we even get back to the table!!!!!

Acceptable, really????

So you tell me, is that good enough for you?

Once again you dont understand the process, contracts under the Railway Labor Act dont expire, they become amendable. Section 6 negotiations start a minimum of 60 days prior to the amendable date.

Do you realize the basically the same people that handle the other labor groups negotiations and grievances are the same people that negotiate your CBA and hear your grievances?

So that leaves limited time for negotiations. Your group opened up early negotiations and got no where so now a federal mediator (who isnt just dealing with fleet at US Airways) is now in charge of the negotiations and setting up the meeting dates. In a highly unusual move the IAM Fleet and US Labor Relations have scheduled sessions without the mediator to facilitate negotiations.

The biggest hindrance to negotiations is the RLA, it has a process that you have to follow and it doesnt really make an agreement come any faster, the company will use that to its advantage as well does the union at times. The law was set up to prevent the cessation of the interstate commerce, not to get negotiations done fast.

Do you realize at one point the IAM M&R was in negotiations for four and a half years and voted down one CBA. The average time a CBA takes to get negotiated under the RLA is at least two years.

Maybe if you took the time to educate yourself and get involved in the process you would see the company and the RLA are the biggest hindrance to getting a new CBA done in a timely manner.

 

[roabilly]

If find it pretty hard to believe that Jimmy is credible. How could anyone have enough sense to create and account with a cool icon and catchy screen name, and all the while continue to insist the CBA expires, and completely ignore the Railway Labor Act?

Further, all of this is being done while attempting to discredit the current leadership... while insinuating Nelson would be a better choice! I think I’ve seen this play out before under different pseudonyms!

VOTE 141/R

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

If find it pretty hard to believe that Jimmy is credible. How could anyone have enough sense to create and account with a cool icon and catchy screen name, and all the while continue to insist the CBA expires, and completely ignore the Railway Labor Act?

Further, all of this is being done while attempting to discredit the current leadership... while insinuating Nelson would be a better choice! I think I’ve seen this play out before under different pseudonyms!

VOTE 141/R

Whether or not you like it, for all intensive purposes, it expires, call it what you want, amendable, contract continuance, never expires....etc....but it's really the end of the line for that particular agreement until a new one is negotiated!!!! otherwise the date would never be put on it....now would it....and like anyone could ignore the Railway Labor Act, give me a break, who's spinning who, here.....

And Nelson, did I mention his name? funny how that always comes up from the few of you who are actually happy with the way things have gone and are going around here!!!! and there are fewer of you than you think!!!!

I'm calling it as I see it, you have your opinion (and obviously you think your smarter than everyone else) and I have mine......

 

[roabilly]

Whether or not you like it, for all intensive purposes, it expires, call it what you want, amendable, contract continuance, never expires....etc....but it's really the end of the line for that particular agreement until a new one is negotiated!!!! otherwise the date would never be put on it....now would it....and like anyone could ignore the Railway Labor Act, give me a break, who's spinning who, here.....

And Nelson, did I mention his name? funny how that always comes up from the few of you who are actually happy with the way things have gone and are going around here!!!! and there are fewer of you than you think!!!!

I'm calling it as I see it, you have your opinion (and obviously you think your smarter than everyone else) and I have mine......

Well then Jimmy,

Let's just get down to brass tacks... who are you supporting?

Don't be afraid to tell... give me a ticket to work with...

 

[saywhat]

Whether or not you like it, for all intensive purposes, it expires, call it what you want, amendable, contract continuance, never expires....etc....but it's really the end of the line for that particular agreement until a new one is negotiated!!!! otherwise the date would never be put on it....now would it....and like anyone could ignore the Railway Labor Act, give me a break, who's spinning who, here.....

And Nelson, did I mention his name? funny how that always comes up from the few of you who are actually happy with the way things have gone and are going around here!!!! and there are fewer of you than you think!!!!

I'm calling it as I see it, you have your opinion (and obviously you think your smarter than everyone else) and I have mine......

Seriously,

So, for someone who claims they get it you really don't. It is not the end of the contract because if it takes 4 years to negotiate a new one or you don't change the language it stays in effect. Just because you have 10, 20 or 30 years doesn't mean you know what is going on. I've seen 1 year employees that get involved more knowing than 30 year complainers. Get real, complainer.