June - IAM Fleet Service Discussion

[700UW]

Oops WN's Dispatchers and Mechanics got a four year bump vs AirTran.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The board ruled the IAM certification stands and no new election.

So the bar has only been one year, where did two years and 18 months come from?

700,

I know you are not capable of really understanding, even when the union violates the law. But FWIW, young child, the bar is always set at 2 years after an election, not one like you falsely say. At any rate, I have to assume that you at least have some functionability and can read the following:

http://iam141.org/docs/39NMB.No.46.pdf

Why is it so hard for you to admit when a union is wrong? In 4 years, our union leadership has somehow managed to violate federal officer election laws and now we have to have the Department of Labor supervise this election, and now the National Mediation Board makes a ruling [only the second time against a union, first being AMFA] that these clowns have now violated representational election laws by inserting the hyperlink into the web page.

Maybe, just maybe, those who make such stupid actions should consult an attorney before making dopey decisions.

Sheesh!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim,

Tell the whole story, IBT had the same issue. Could it be that it was shortened for the benefit of a Union work group which is what a pro Union NMB should do to resolve. Get real. Nice try at spinning the issue though.

Saywhat, REALLY???

The union penalized, and this is only the second time that a union has been penalized this way in the history of things, was the IAM. The Teamsters were not penalized. How can I spin the law?


"CONCLUSION
Based upon the totality of circumstances, the Board finds that the conditions necessary for a fair election were not tainted. IAM’s actions, however, involving the use of a hyperlink to the Board’s voting website raise serious concerns about the confidentiality of the voting process and therefore call for responsive action. Accordingly, the Board will shorten the bar period set forth in Section 1206.4(a) of the Board’s Rules as discussed above. As there is no further basis to proceed, the Board closes its file in this matter. "

I find it amusing how the establishment comes to the defense of the union even when the Federal government penalizes the union. This marks the second time that these clowns have brought penalties upon the union. And, unfortunately, in this case, it means the Teamsters can now do a immediate card signup and petition for a new vote in February. For officers who continually BS and tell their members that they can't get them a contract because of union elections, they just expedited a new one. Sheesh

 

[700UW]

Take your own advice.

From the report:

Additionally, there is no credible evidence that employees voted from work computers or telephones at the urging of IAM supporters.

Applying the Board’s standard for evaluating union conduct, there is insufficient evidence that IAM’s activities tainted the laboratory conditions.

There is no credible evidence, however, that ties many of the incidents described in the IBT’s allegations to a coordinated campaign on the part of IAM leadership.

The investigation revealed that to the extent that the allegations against IAM were true, any aggressive behavior was among the most active advocates of each organization and the conduct did not influence how and whether employees voted. Aggressive campaigning, as the Board has stated before, is not a basis for finding interference. Delta Air Lines, 39 NMB 53, 89 (2011). Even if some of the IBT’s allegations are true, there is insufficient basis for the Board to order a re-run election. The investigation revealed that laboratory conditions were not tainted by any such conduct.

The IBT submitted arguments regarding other allegations. The Board finds that these allegations are either not supported by sufficient credible evidence or, if true, do not constitute interference.

Based upon the totality of circumstances, the Board finds that the conditions necessary for a fair election were not tainted.

And I simply asked a question about the bar, I never heard of a two year bar after an election, so excuse me, I wasnt posting anything false, I was simply asking a question.

 

[saywhat]

Saywhat, REALLY???

The union penalized, and this is only the second time that a union has been penalized this way in the history of things, was the IAM. The Teamsters were not penalized. How can I spin the law?


"CONCLUSION
Based upon the totality of circumstances, the Board finds that the conditions necessary for a fair election were not tainted. IAM’s actions, however, involving the use of a hyperlink to the Board’s voting website raise serious concerns about the confidentiality of the voting process and therefore call for responsive action. Accordingly, the Board will shorten the bar period set forth in Section 1206.4(a) of the Board’s Rules as discussed above. As there is no further basis to proceed, the Board closes its file in this matter. "

I find it amusing how the establishment comes to the defense of the union even when the Federal government penalizes the union. This marks the second time that these clowns have brought penalties upon the union. And, unfortunately, in this case, it means the Teamsters can now do a immediate card signup and petition for a new vote in February. For officers who continually BS and tell their members that they can't get them a contract because of union elections, they just expedited a new one. Sheesh

Tim,

IBT will probably get a boost from you if you don't get your way in this election I predict? Tell us all right now that you won't be a scab and do that. Get real.

 

[700UW]

Maybe, just maybe, those who make such stupid actions should consult an attorney before making dopey decisions.

Sheesh!

Gee would filing short on cards at AirTran while being "Director of Organizing" with your computer made certificate of appreciation fall under that?

Or what about when you filed short on cards at US back in 90s which let the company do the blood letting of 1992?

I would think that falls under what you described, now doesnt it?

 

[Jester]

Jester,

What damage had they done so far? And what do you care about a new agreement for anyway? As long as you get a raise, you will throw your fellow members under the bus, you already proved that point for your few pieces of silver.

PJ,

Let's dispense with the crap... your opposition to the T.A was not about the potential base closures, but rather your idea of the "bankrupt" payscale, and as you were able to comfortably wait it out as the existing agreement paid a decent wage. In the meanwhile, the West can do without an extra $10,000 annually in pay, because you had your own agenda... but you didn't care, so spare me any ideas of your 'concern' for other Members, especially as you are willing to let Car 54 to sell-out the PT HAL membership to obtain a new CBA!

Frankly, your hypocrisy is sickening and your campaign would be an appropiate Ipecac for those Members in need. I made the offer to you that we could swap pay scales, and I would vote any way you wanted, but I never did get your PM. Must have been a website error, right? If you really were concerned for the Membership, you would rescind your campaign and disavow any association with New Direction and Car 54... but alas, as "Hypocrisy" is thy name, I expect you to follow through to the election.

Now you ask a simplistically naive question, "What damage had they done so far?" while ignoring HAL, UAL, the Attendance Policy, along with various other matters! Do I need to wait for DIRECT and profound "damage" given the demonstrated imcompetency?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Do the Membership a huge favor... RESIGN IMMEDIATELY!

So Recommends Jester.

 

[pjirish317]

PJ,

Let's dispense with the crap... your opposition to the T.A was not about the potential base closures, but rather your idea of the "bankrupt" payscale, and as you were able to comfortably wait it out as the existing agreement paid a decent wage. In the meanwhile, the West can do without an extra $10,000 annually in pay, because you had your own agenda... but you didn't care, so spare me any ideas of your 'concern' for other Members, especially as you are willing to let Car 54 to sell-out the PT HAL membership to obtain a new CBA!

Frankly, your hypocrisy is sickening and your campaign would be an appropiate Ipecac for those Members in need. I made the offer to you that we could swap pay scales, and I would vote any way you wanted, but I never did get your PM. Must have been a website error, right? If you really were concerned for the Membership, you would rescind your campaign and disavow any association with New Direction and Car 54... but alas, as "Hypocrisy" is thy name, I expect you to follow through to the election.

Now you ask a simplistically naive question, "What damage had they done so far?" while ignoring HAL, UAL, the Attendance Policy, along with various other matters! Do I need to wait for DIRECT and profound "damage" given the demonstrated imcompetency?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Do the Membership a huge favor... RESIGN IMMEDIATELY!

So Recommends Jester.

Jester,

First off lets address paragraph 1. If you review all my posts during that time, all I addressed was the outsourcing language. As I am in a class 2 city, I to would benefit from the few pieces of silver you grabbed for, but alas I voted no. But hey think any way you want, just don't speak for me ok.

Psrsgraph 2.

Hypocrisy, look in the mirror. After you sold out your members for your few pieces of silver, you have a change of heart, now that you "got yours", and champion the HAL workers? Really? Get involved if you don't like the way things are going, instead of whining like you do on here.

Paragraph 3.

So you admit that there has been no damage done so far, but a perceived future damage. The attendance policy, the policy canoli agreed to, that policy was modified recently, by the ND, have you heard? It's not great, but it is a start. But you will probably complain about that also.

 

[The Bagfather]

Saywhat, REALLY???

The union penalized, and this is only the second time that a union has been penalized this way in the history of things, was the IAM. The Teamsters were not penalized. How can I spin the law?


"CONCLUSION
Based upon the totality of circumstances, the Board finds that the conditions necessary for a fair election were not tainted. IAM’s actions, however, involving the use of a hyperlink to the Board’s voting website raise serious concerns about the confidentiality of the voting process and therefore call for responsive action. Accordingly, the Board will shorten the bar period set forth in Section 1206.4(a) of the Board’s Rules as discussed above. As there is no further basis to proceed, the Board closes its file in this matter. "

I find it amusing how the establishment comes to the defense of the union even when the Federal government penalizes the union. This marks the second time that these clowns have brought penalties upon the union. And, unfortunately, in this case, it means the Teamsters can now do a immediate card signup and petition for a new vote in February. For officers who continually BS and tell their members that they can't get them a contract because of union elections, they just expedited a new one. Sheesh

Tim, I don't know how anyone can" spin the law" but I'll give you a couple of ways that you have tried to spin this ruling. Here's one: You imply that because only one other instance of this occurred that this is a more serious violation than it is. There is simply no rule common sense or otherwise that would support that logic. Here's another: You say the bottom line is that now the IBT can file for representation in Feb.
That's true but that's only 25% sooner than the 2 year bar. Then you say that the Teamsters can do an "immediate card sign up if Feb." I don't know maybe its just me, but it's either immediate or in Feb. Or immediately in Feb. But thats redundant. In court they would object that as being imflamatory and predudical. On here its just considered spin.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

I hate to keep beating this DEAD HORSE HERE, but maybe some folks from the current negotiating team need to take some classes at the CWA school of negotiating with US AIRWAYS, one only needs to look at our inside workers and now the Piedmont Express Fleet service folks as it seems they are the only ones not taking an absolute bashing by the company, how about it guys?


Tentative Agreement Reached For PIEDMONT AIRLINES FLEET SERVICE

The CWA Bargaining Team and Piedmont have reached a tentative agreement, after fifteen long and difficult months of negotiations.​

The Bargaining Team fought for what they believe are major improvements in the livelihood of every worker throughout the system. As a first contract workers will see improvements in their pay packets, job security, as well as health care benefits.​

· All workers will get a 6 to 8% lump sum signing bonus in 2012.​

· Guaranteed 4% raises and additional payments of 2% will replace the old system.​

· The caps for all workers will be raised allowing them to earn more.​

· For the first time workers with more than 5 years service will be able to earn $500 longevity bonuses each year for good attendance.​

· The CWA Bargaining Team was also able to put in place a very strong Grievance and Arbitration process protecting the rights of workers. Workers will be able to grieve any wrongful act committed against them.​

· Workers Health Care will not see the 33% increase that the company initially proposed; there will now be a gradual increase of 1% each year starting in 2015.​

· Part time employees for the first time will receive pay for holidays whether they work them or not and also receive paid bereavement pay.​

· Full time employees will get a second personal day​

· Overtime pay will be paid for agents who work more than two hours beyond their regular shift.​

· Improvements in disciplinary policy; bumping rights for furloughed employees, shift swaps guaranteed and much more.​

The Bargaining team will make the details of the Tentative Agreement available to all CWA members after the meeting with the union’s Bargaining Advisory Council on Saturday, June 9th. . There will be conference calls and informational meetings to explain the details of the agreement to all agents.​

The Tentative Agreement will then be voted on for ratification by all CWA members.​

In Unity
CWA Bargaining Committee
Like · · Unfollow Post · 8 hours ago
Paul Dela Rosa, Beth Allen, Tim Dubn​

http://www.piedmontagent.org/index.cfm?action=cat&categoryID=559E3C78-738E-42A6-9DCD-C174522891BA​

 

[mike33]

I hate to keep beating this DEAD HORSE HERE, but maybe some folks from the current negotiating team need to take some classes at the CWA school of negotiating with US AIRWAYS, one only needs to look at our inside workers and now the Piedmont Express Fleet service folks as it seems they are the only ones not taking an absolute bashing by the company, how about it guys?


Tentative Agreement Reached For PIEDMONT AIRLINES FLEET SERVICE

How about giving some specifics on their contract regarding wages. I don't see it on that site!.. they negotiated for 2 yrs to get whatever they got, but, 2%/4% of what? I'm glad to see they are at least union now. kind of adds a layer of protection for Mainline Fleet Service.

 

[700UW]

Jester,

Where were you during HA negotiations?

You never said a word about it, not until your puppet master instructed you too.

PJ, and many others always raised the sole issue old issue of the outsourcing language and tried to tell you and others what would happen, you saw the dollars signs and sold your coworkers out, plain and simple. Accept what you did and stop attacking others trying to take the spot light off of you.

You never have done anything to help your coworkers and when you are shown to be wrong you try to deflect. Sitting behind a keyboard and taking instructions from your task master is not helping your coworkers, who you had no qualms about throwing under the bus and out the door.

Funny how you dont post for a long time and Tim shows up and so do you at the same time, makes me wonder?

And to Tim, the IAM didnt break the law, it is the NMB Guidelines, keep spinning.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

How about giving some specifics on their contract regarding wages. I don't see it on that site!.. they negotiated for 2 yrs to get whatever they got, but, 2%/4% of what? I'm glad to see they are at least union now. kind of adds a layer of protection for Mainline Fleet Service.

They negotiated for 15 months, not 2 years, our contract expired in Dec. 2011, so counting the supposed negotiating sessions last summer we are now quickly approaching that 15 month threshold ourselves, are we not?


They are obviously paid a bit lower than mainline, but at this rate it's not going to be that much lower with 4% raises each year and 2% on top of that and the fact that they now have 3000 members should be quite shocking to everyone here at mainline as at least 1/2 of those jobs used to be ours!!!! Were they not?

Now my real point here is, what the CWA has been able to get in negotiations on the mainline and now express side compared to anything even remotely acceptable (under this current regime with Delaney) on our side should be very clear to see for everyone here to see, if not get your blinders off!!!!

One only needs to look at what these other groups are getting or not getting (in the way of the SHAFT) as we are continually being obliterated under the former and now current regime, and this has nothing, and I mean nothing to do with or about Tim Nelson, so don't spin it that way....it's all about as obvious as the nose on your face.....just look for yourself!!!!

 

[mike33]

They negotiated for 15 months, not 2 years, our contract expired in Dec. 2011, so counting the supposed negotiating sessions last summer we are now quickly approaching that 15 month threshold ourselves, are we not?


They are obviously paid a bit lower than mainline, but at this rate it's not going to be that much lower with 4% raises each year and 2% on top of that and the fact that they now have 3000 members should be quite shocking to everyone here at mainline as at least 1/2 of those jobs used to be ours!!!! Were they not?

Now my real point here is, what the CWA has been able to get in negotiations on the mainline and now express side compared to anything even remotely acceptable (under this current regime with Delaney) on our side should be very clear to see for everyone here to see, if not get your blinders off!!!!

One only needs to look at what these other groups are getting or not getting (in the way of the SHAFT) as we are continually being obliterated under the former and now current regime, and this has nothing, and I mean nothing to do with or about Tim Nelson, so don't spin it that way....it's all about as obvious as the nose on your face.....just look for yourself!!!!

Show me the contract that this regime negotiated for us and then we will talk. Otherwise the nose on YOUR face is getting a little bigger with every comment. ............You can't show me because they are in negotiations trying to improve on what they inherited. We are all responsible for this by voting it in by %....it doesn't matter at this point who voted what. We now take responsibility for the whole ... BTW i never mentioned anything regarding Tim Nelson......turn on the lights Jimmy and come in from Left Field.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Show me the contract that this regime negotiated for us and then we will talk. Otherwise the nose on YOUR face is getting a little bigger with every comment. ............You can't show me because they are in negotiations trying to improve on what they inherited. We are all responsible for this by voting it in by %....it doesn't matter at this point who voted what. We now take responsibility for the whole ... BTW i never mentioned anything regarding Tim Nelson......turn on the lights Jimmy and come in from Left Field.

Sorry, your just smarter than everyone!!!! and yes Left field is exactly where I feel I am, a long long way from the infield, let alone home plate....keep spinning your own wheels, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that's even remotely satisfied with the way things are going (or in our case not going anywhere fast).....enough excuses already!!!