JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[AANOTOK]

Company missions and objectives are always in a state of flux and while I think the new written intentions are good I remain mindful and cautious.

And frankly though while they have made again great strides in moving forward I simply can’t give them a full embrace until they conclude to a satisfactory end all of our JCBA talks both in Fleet and Maintenance.

Until then I’m just not very comfortable waving around the Pom Pom’s just yet.

Your "great strides" have a different meaning than mine. Looking at what's left to negotiate, how long it's already taken to get this far, the differences that remain (between the company AND the two unions) and also the lack of meetings in the past, and especially moving forward, I would say "Leaps and bounds" still need to be taken before we are anywhere near something the Association can bring back for us to consider. Even the approximately 34 T/A's to date that are said to be all improvements have been stepped back that it may not be improvements for both sides.
Let me remind you of the UPDATE:

"We have 2 sessions before the end of the year set which includes next week in DCA and the week of December 11th in DFW. The articles remaining include vacation, pension/401k, wages, duration, scope and insurance. There may be an article or two I'm missing. We have around 34 TA's. I put the chances of having a deal at 5% by the end of the year"

You have in the past called facts "negativism". You have in the past had the pom poms out and criticized those of us who do not share your optimism or saw and predicted things differently than you. Those of us who saw the mess we are in today from day one and voiced our opinion on it were not being negative, we were giving opinions and those opinions have became reality. Now, you have decided to shelve the pom poms until that satisfactory JCBA is reached. Just keeping it real, W.

 

[WeAAsles]

You're "great strides" have a different meaning than mine. Looking at what's left to negotiate, how long it's already taken to get this far, the differences that remain (between the company AND the TWU unions) and also the lack of meetings in the past, and especially moving forward, I would say "Leaps and bounds" still need to be taken before we are anywhere near something the Association can bring back for us to consider. Even the approximately 34 T/A's to date that are said to be all improvements have been stepped back that it may not be improvements for both sides.
Let me remind you of the UPDATE:

"We have 2 sessions before the end of the year set which includes next week in DCA and the week of December 11th in DFW. The articles remaining include vacation, pension/401k, wages, duration, scope and insurance. There may be an article or two I'm missing. We have around 34 TA's. I put the chances of having a deal at 5% by the end of the year"

You have in the past called facts "negativism". You have in the past had the pom poms out and criticized those of us who do not share your optimism or saw and predicted things differently than you. Those of us who saw the mess we are in today from day one and voiced our opinion on it were not being negative, we were giving opinions and those opinions have became reality. Now, you have decided to shelve the pom poms until that satisfactory JCBA is reached. Just keeping it real, W.

Sorry NOTOC let me be more specific. The wage increases outside the Contract and the fact at least here in MIA Management is no longer bugging us and getting on my nerves.

As far as concluding Negotiations I concur and to a degree both sides share some measure of guilt for the pace.

 

[WeAAsles]

Your "great strides" have a different meaning than mine. Looking at what's left to negotiate, how long it's already taken to get this far, the differences that remain (between the company AND the two unions) and also the lack of meetings in the past, and especially moving forward, I would say "Leaps and bounds" still need to be taken before we are anywhere near something the Association can bring back for us to consider. Even the approximately 34 T/A's to date that are said to be all improvements have been stepped back that it may not be improvements for both sides.
Let me remind you of the UPDATE:

"We have 2 sessions before the end of the year set which includes next week in DCA and the week of December 11th in DFW. The articles remaining include vacation, pension/401k, wages, duration, scope and insurance. There may be an article or two I'm missing. We have around 34 TA's. I put the chances of having a deal at 5% by the end of the year"

You have in the past called facts "negativism". You have in the past had the pom poms out and criticized those of us who do not share your optimism or saw and predicted things differently than you. Those of us who saw the mess we are in today from day one and voiced our opinion on it were not being negative, we were giving opinions and those opinions have became reality. Now, you have decided to shelve the pom poms until that satisfactory JCBA is reached. Just keeping it real, W.

NOTOK I wanted to come back to this because you quoted Rez “opinion” as “gospel”. Nothing personal to Rez who of course is highly qualified to give an opinion and those odds he expressed are reasonable. He just does not know for an absolute fact what could happen next week and he is merely one voice in it all.

You still have all the other Negotiators, The Executive Committee and the Company that “could” finally throw the curveball?

If they get past SCOPE the rest could be just 1, 2, 3, Done?

 

[bob@las-AA]

Your "great strides" have a different meaning than mine. Looking at what's left to negotiate, how long it's already taken to get this far, the differences that remain (between the company AND the two unions) and also the lack of meetings in the past, and especially moving forward, I would say "Leaps and bounds" still need to be taken before we are anywhere near something the Association can bring back for us to consider. Even the approximately 34 T/A's to date that are said to be all improvements have been stepped back that it may not be improvements for both sides.
Let me remind you of the UPDATE:

"We have 2 sessions before the end of the year set which includes next week in DCA and the week of December 11th in DFW. The articles remaining include vacation, pension/401k, wages, duration, scope and insurance. There may be an article or two I'm missing. We have around 34 TA's. I put the chances of having a deal at 5% by the end of the year"

You have in the past called facts "negativism". You have in the past had the pom poms out and criticized those of us who do not share your optimism or saw and predicted things differently than you. Those of us who saw the mess we are in today from day one and voiced our opinion on it were not being negative, we were giving opinions and those opinions have became reality. Now, you have decided to shelve the pom poms until that satisfactory JCBA is reached. Just keeping it real, W.

The weez is weird like that, nicely written.

 

[AANOTOK]

No problem, W. I agree things can change, but I just don't see it with these party's. I really do think that Parker and Glass are dug in on outsourcing and medical and I don't think there is anything we could possibly give up to prevent it, NOR SHOULD WE. Time (and maybe a lot more of it) will tell.

 

[WeAAsles]

The weez is weird like that, nicely written.

I did clarify there Bobby. Josh was talking about the Company and it was about the Company that I responded to.

 

[WeAAsles]

No problem, W. I agree things can change, but I just don't see it with these party's. I really do think that Parker and Glass are dug in on outsourcing and medical and I don't think there is anything we could possibly give up to prevent it, NOR SHOULD WE. Time (and maybe a lot more of it) will tell.

Dug in? You see bro it’s these types of comments I have issues with. There sort of (Sorry just being honest) defeatist comments if you ask me. They’re comments that make me think “Well no way we can win that one so we better move on” type scenarios.

Captain Kirk once stated “I don’t believe in a no win scenario” I always thought Captain Kirk was mighty damn cool.

NOTOK let the process play itself out. Let’s have a little faith. I really don’t think at least individually we’re suffering too much here are we?

BTW NOTOK would you be ok with having within our SCOPE language the term “At Managements discretion” Curious?

 

[AANOTOK]

Equity Q&A is out. Go ahead and post W, I can't right now.

 

[WeAAsles]

Equity Q&A is out. Go ahead and post W, I can't right now.

Ah cool. Let me go find that thing.

 

[Talos]

No problem, W. I agree things can change, but I just don't see it with these party's. I really do think that Parker and Glass are dug in on outsourcing and medical and I don't think there is anything we could possibly give up to prevent it, NOR SHOULD WE. Time (and maybe a lot more of it) will tell.

You have to wonder if the 2 unions are on the same page. One union walks the picket line the other does not. That has to look bad to the company. It's not negative thinking it's negative observations.

 

[robbedagain]

2016 fiesta

 

[robbedagain]

Congrats to you robbed.

thank you bro

 

[ograc]

The weez is weird like that, nicely written.

Your position on Scope and Medical is "Duly Noted" Brother.

No problem, W. I agree things can change, but I just don't see it with these party's. I really do think that Parker and Glass are dug in on outsourcing and medical and I don't think there is anything we could possibly give up to prevent it, NOR SHOULD WE. Time (and maybe a lot more of it) will tell.

No problem, W. I agree things can change, but I just don't see it with these party's. I really do think that Parker and Glass are dug in on outsourcing and medical and I don't think there is anything we could possibly give up to prevent it, NOR SHOULD WE. Time (and maybe a lot more of it) will tell.

Your position is duly noted.

 

[ograc]

Your position on Scope and Medical is "Duly Noted" Brother.


Your position is duly noted.

Cave! What's in it for me?

 

[NYer]

No problem, W. I agree things can change, but I just don't see it with these party's. I really do think that Parker and Glass are dug in on outsourcing and medical and I don't think there is anything we could possibly give up to prevent it, NOR SHOULD WE. Time (and maybe a lot more of it) will tell.

Hit the nail on the head.

It's quite easy to see where they may be holding their ground from past negotiations within other LAA groups and other comparable groups at other airlines.

What the Company wants is usually what other airlines already got. The stockholders are also comparing costs as is Wall Street. If the stock price is stagnant or hasn't reached the levels expected then the changes sought out by those entities becomes the priority.