So acquiring the assets of TWA, operating F100s, MD-11s, and DC-10s were also costly and poor business decisions so what’s your point?
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So acquiring the assets of TWA, operating F100s, MD-11s, and DC-10s were also costly and poor business decisions so what’s your point?
Josh
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Incorrect. And even though both words essentially share the same meaning, both words demand nothing in return.
Do I need to remind you what the TWU and Association traded in return? It would be rather redundant to repeat again don’t you think.
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The argument could be made that making the offer for raises was a bad business decision from the Company BOD and a bad negotiating decision to accept the raises by the IAM and TWU.
An argument or debate could be made. Irrelevant either way since it’s already done.
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Association, AA Executive Session Negotiations Continue
Brothers and Sisters,
The Executive Negotiating Committee met face to face with American Airlines this week in New York City.
As was previously reported, an Association subcommittee met last week in Dallas to review and designate what Letters of Agreement would be retained in the JCBA, should be discussed during negotiations to incorporate into articles of the JCBA, or removed. All TWU and IAM Letters of Agreement inside and outside of the current CBA’s were reviewed for all groups.
Discussion this week centered around ASAP (Aviation Safety Action Program), GSAP (Ground Safety Action Program), Grandfathering Limited Duty, Overtime procedures for M&R and MLS as well as preliminary Scope discussions for Fleet Service.
The discussions on the ASAP/ GSAP Memorandums of Understanding are an effort to combine the TWU and IAM programs into a single program to cover all M&R and Stores under the ASAP and Fleet Service under the GSAP.
We had previously tentatively agreed to the Limited Duty Article; further agreement was reached to grandfather anyone currently on limited duty from an on the job injury for all groups.
Discussion on overtime distribution procedures for M&R and MLS continued and will support the previously tentatively agreed to Articles for Overtime.
The Seniority Article for Fleet Service has been tentatively agreed to.
Negotiations are scheduled to resume on the following weeks: November 6 in Washington, DC and December 11 in Dallas.
Fraternally,
Fleet Negotiating Committee:
Mark Baskett William Fa Mike Fairbanks Tim Hughes
Steve Miller Tim Murphy Pat Rezler Art Risley
Andre Sutton Rodney Walker Bill Wilson
Mechanic and Related/Stores Committee:
Jason Best Mike Bush Ken Coley John Coveny Dale Danker Mark Huffman
Bennie Martino Gary Peterson Rollie Reaves Sean Ryan Jay Gleeman Mark Strength
Association, AA Executive Session Negotiations Continue
Brothers and Sisters,
The Executive Negotiating Committee met face to face with American Airlines this week in New York City.
As was previously reported, an Association subcommittee met last week in Dallas to review and designate what Letters of Agreement would be retained in the JCBA, should be discussed during negotiations to incorporate into articles of the JCBA, or removed. All TWU and IAM Letters of Agreement inside and outside of the current CBA’s were reviewed for all groups.
Discussion this week centered around ASAP (Aviation Safety Action Program), GSAP (Ground Safety Action Program), Grandfathering Limited Duty, Overtime procedures for M&R and MLS as well as preliminary Scope discussions for Fleet Service.
The discussions on the ASAP/ GSAP Memorandums of Understanding are an effort to combine the TWU and IAM programs into a single program to cover all M&R and Stores under the ASAP and Fleet Service under the GSAP.
We had previously tentatively agreed to the Limited Duty Article; further agreement was reached to grandfather anyone currently on limited duty from an on the job injury for all groups.
Discussion on overtime distribution procedures for M&R and MLS continued and will support the previously tentatively agreed to Articles for Overtime.
The Seniority Article for Fleet Service has been tentatively agreed to.
Negotiations are scheduled to resume on the following weeks: November 6 in Washington, DC and December 11 in Dallas.
Fraternally,
Fleet Negotiating Committee:
Mark Baskett William Fa Mike Fairbanks Tim Hughes
Steve Miller Tim Murphy Pat Rezler Art Risley
Andre Sutton Rodney Walker Bill Wilson
Mechanic and Related/Stores Committee:
Jason Best Mike Bush Ken Coley John Coveny Dale Danker Mark Huffman
Bennie Martino Gary Peterson Rollie Reaves Sean Ryan Jay Gleeman Mark Strength
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Even though I bust his chops I will be honest and say I’m not always so sure there isn’t a grain of truth to all his madness.
And I also don’t easily dismiss every rumor as complete bunk.
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Maybe if more people voiced their opinions to the negotiators or at meetings, there would be more weeks scheduled.
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The company states they are willing to meet any time any where to get a deal done.
The TWU side of the Association says any time any where, lock us in a room until a deal is done.
Not much more you or I can do as employee's or members. As I said previously, Tim might have some points.
We know one side of the Associations membership is benefiting by the delay, question is, are the officers or leaders
profiting by the delay. I don't know, but it has been mentioned.
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The question was asked a couple of weeks ago when we were briefing the break rooms: " what was the negotiating team going to do if the company demanded we go to the LAA insurance, and took catering jobs in clt?"
This of course would pretty much make it a cost negative contract for our LUS members. Especially giving up of jobs. My answer to that questions was that we will not bring out a cost negative contract to our members. And that nobody on the negotiating team expects the letter that the company put out to be their final offer. And then I did state that I for one, would push things to section 6 before I brought out a cost negative contract to our members. But that I was only 1 person on the team. And I stand by that statement, that I would choose to go to section 6 before I would bring back a cost negative contract. Now that comment has been turned and twisted by some who choose to spin spin and spin some more, into that we stated that we wanted to stall negotiations to go into section 6.
This statement of course was never made.
And the IAM negotiators make no more money because we are in negotiations. Other than our daly per diem which ranges between 70-80 dollars a day depending on the city we are in. But the twu side would also get this same per diem.
Nobody wants to stall negotions. The IAM side is also ready and willing to meet anytime anywhere. The twu side now has the lead in the association. They can schedule dates whenever they want. But you have to get the company to agree. So I would tell people to figure out the common denominator in the scheduling. It's not the association.
Some people feel the scheduling is the company pushing back due to the info picketing. I'm not sure I agree with that. Just telling you what I've heard.
I will agree with CB on his statements and can tell you that nobody in PHX, DEN or ONT have asked me about section 6 negotiations and I have not alluded to that in my briefings. There is no delay on the IAM side whatsoever. I too will admit that if a cost negative contract is offered, I too would be willing to go to section 6. I do not believe that will be necessary but we will see. I want a freaking industry leading contract, not cost neutral or negative!!
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