JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Great. You responded.

If anyone collected cards the election could have been contested or appealed, but it wasn't. So arguing that point after the fact is just sour grapes.

Thankfully, the Election Committee complied with the TWU Constitution and By-Laws and resisted the pressure to make many members ineligible as they did not follow the proper procedures if they wanted to collect dues from Members who were injured on duty. Historically, Local 568 did not pursue those dues and in trying to make members ineligible to run for office, they also didn't follow the process to collect those dues before trying to make someone a member in bad standing.

So, going back to my original post, which you did not refute, you were running with a group that tried to manipulate the elections by getting rid of the competition. Tsk. Tsk.

I can guess many reading this have a better understanding of your bromance.

#1 Paragraph: Good luck trying to prove that accusation without willing witnesses.

#2 So TWU Local 568 "Historically" has been in violation of the TWU Constitution then as you admit. Thank you for being honest for a change. BTW WHO was being made ineligible anyway? You all did a great job of slandering Mitch. Be proud of how honorable that was. NOT!!!!!!

#3 So say the accusation that NEVER wound up happening and NEVER had ANY shred of proof. In the real World proof is a preference in life.

#4 Did you ever respond to that good standing member's charges against you and your board? Why don't you ever answer him? You know you really aren't going to be able to ultimately leave him dangling forever right. That day of reckoning will come and right soon (Bible)

I've said this before and I'll say it again and you have not proven to me otherwise. You're a liar, "possible" cheater and a man with no integrity or honor.

(Hope you have power restored though)

 

[swamt]

PHL CLT are larger hubs than PHX. DCA has a statue mile limit w few exceptions.

Good points Josh but that's how it is. I think I have a decent chance to win the IP job. If I win, Sito will go under internal investigation immediately, even if he retires. There is reason to investigate. I went to a Boeing BBQ last month and met with many shop stewards and I have been building relationships with various other District Officers, Local Officers, eboards, and regular members. We are also looking fairly good at DL 141 for officer elections where I think we will really beat their asses this time. The part time schedules are killing United members and if we get a TA prior to January at American then I don't think the LUS AGC's will fair to well coughing up LUS insurance. It's exciting times for change within the IAM and I think both elections have some really good chances at success.

Pardon the intrusion, but I have been absent for a while. Tim or robbed, do the fleet service folks have an AIP? (question and answer #6):

6. Do you like the so called "Agreement in Principle"?

No. Although I haven't seen actual language, I'm very uncomfortable with a weakened TWU/IAM stance on part time issues. It won't affect me as much since I have over 30 years but it will be a full time job killer, and eliminate almost all Overtime, if it mirrors Delta and IAM United. It was the dues grab that the unions were looking for. Remember, 2 part timers = 1 Full timer dues x 2.

So fleet votes on the fleet agreement and mechanics will vote on the mechanics agreement? Or will all vote on a JCBA?
I don't know who asked you this #6 question but, if 2 part timers are paying dues compared to one full timer, it's the same amount of dues monies, is it not? Assuming part timers are paid the same as FT's. So the implied dues x 2 is not true, to me it would be the same or less.

As I read your postings you seem a little worried about this agreement and what's in it. I know you know but let's not forget the "industry leading contract" this asso. promised the membership way back when they were getting formed (forced) upon the membership. Good luck with it, hope it restores everything taken from the AA'ers from way back...

 

[NYer]

#1 Paragraph: Good luck trying to prove that accusation without willing witnesses.

#2 So TWU Local 568 "Historically" has been in violation of the TWU Constitution then as you admit. Thank you for being honest for a change. BTW WHO was being made ineligible anyway? You all did a great job of slandering Mitch. Be proud of how honorable that was. NOT!!!!!!

#3 So say the accusation that NEVER wound up happening and NEVER had ANY shred of proof. In the real World proof is a preference in life.

#4 Did you ever respond to that good standing member's charges against you and your board? Why don't you ever answer him? You know you really aren't going to be able to ultimately leave him dangling forever right. That day of reckoning will come and right soon (Bible)

I've said this before and I'll say it again and you have not proven to me otherwise. You're a liar, "possible" cheater and a man with no integrity or honor.

(Hope you have power restored though)

First, let me thank you as you made my day. It is a treat to what you try to squirm and change the subject on the fact that you ran with guys that have tried, and thankfully failed, to manipulate Local elections. Nice crowd you associate with.

Now to your ridiculous list.

1. So you make an allegation of ballots being collected. I say it should have been reported if that was happening then you complain about there being no "willing witnesses." C'mon. That's just absolutely hilarious.

2. As you say, "show me in writing" the Local is in violation of anything. If a Local decides not pursue dues from members that are injured then that is their decision. Matter of fact, I'm proud the Local doesn't pursue money from people who are not working and receiving limited funds. You want to go after them, then that's on your conscience.

3. There was plenty of proof and the Election Committee did a great job, as well as the TWU International Counsel, in making sure the rules and guidelines were followed. Of course, we can't really depend on you to be unbiased since you ran with these guys.

4. The Bible? Look at your feet, see all those straws?

"I've said this before and I'll say it again and you have not proven to me otherwise. You're a liar, "possible" cheater and a man with no integrity or honor." Says the guy that ran with the same people that caused election issues in two of the last three Local elections.

By the way, the more you keep throwing that spaghetti against the wall, the more credence you give to the initial post of how some on your slate was involved in controversial elections. You can continue to try and aim your scope at me, but most on these pages see through all that. I'm sure you're private messaging many in your attempt to save face....but the exposure is already there.

 

[NYer]

 

[robbedagain]

no not that I know of SWAMT no intrusion as far as I'm concerned bro

 

[WeAAsles]

First, let me thank you as you made my day. It is a treat to what you try to squirm and change the subject on the fact that you ran with guys that have tried, and thankfully failed, to manipulate Local elections. Nice crowd you associate with.

Now to your ridiculous list.

1. So you make an allegation of ballots being collected. I say it should have been reported if that was happening then you complain about there being no "willing witnesses." C'mon. That's just absolutely hilarious.

2. As you say, "show me in writing" the Local is in violation of anything. If a Local decides not pursue dues from members that are injured then that is their decision. Matter of fact, I'm proud the Local doesn't pursue money from people who are not working and receiving limited funds. You want to go after them, then that's on your conscience.

3. There was plenty of proof and the Election Committee did a great job, as well as the TWU International Counsel, in making sure the rules and guidelines were followed. Of course, we can't really depend on you to be unbiased since you ran with these guys.

4. The Bible? Look at your feet, see all those straws?

"I've said this before and I'll say it again and you have not proven to me otherwise. You're a liar, "possible" cheater and a man with no integrity or honor." Says the guy that ran with the same people that caused election issues in two of the last three Local elections.

By the way, the more you keep throwing that spaghetti against the wall, the more credence you give to the initial post of how some on your slate was involved in controversial elections. You can continue to try and aim your scope at me, but most on these pages see through all that. I'm sure you're private messaging many in your attempt to save face....but the exposure is already there.

"Rumor" has it that you have been ordered to conduct a trial and are continuing to ignore that order and by proxy an in good standing dues paying local 568 member?

If true I have to ask why oh why do you continue to ignore this issue?

Tick Tock.

The rest of your diatribe is nothing but mindless rambling babble not worthy of an engagement to be quite frank and honest.

 

[NYer]

"Rumor" has it that you have been ordered to conduct a trial and are continuing to ignore that order and by proxy an in good standing dues paying local 568 member?

If true I have to ask why oh why do you continue to ignore this issue?

Tick Tock.

The rest of your diatribe is nothing but mindless rambling babble not worthy of an engagement to be quite frank and honest.

It's not worthy of an engagement? Because you already engaged.

Thanks for confirming the actions of your slate since you have not been able to refute it other than throwing more spaghetti this way.

 

[Albert]

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#1 Paragraph: Good luck trying to prove that accusation without willing witnesses.

#2 So TWU Local 568 "Historically" has been in violation of the TWU Constitution then as you admit. Thank you for being honest for a change. BTW WHO was being made ineligible anyway? You all did a great job of slandering Mitch. Be proud of how honorable that was. NOT!!!!!!

#3 So say the accusation that NEVER wound up happening and NEVER had ANY shred of proof. In the real World proof is a preference in life.

#4 Did you ever respond to that good standing member's charges against you and your board? Why don't you ever answer him? You know you really aren't going to be able to ultimately leave him dangling forever right. That day of reckoning will come and right soon (Bible)

I've said this before and I'll say it again and you have not proven to me otherwise. You're a liar, "possible" cheater and a man with no integrity or honor.

(Hope you have power restored though)

Weez just for future reference can dues objectors and members not in good standing vote in the TWU elections?

 

[WeAAsles]

It's not worthy of an engagement? Because you already engaged.

Thanks for confirming the actions of your slate since you have not been able to refute it other than throwing more spaghetti this way.

"Rumor" has it that my slate was going to do something that was never done quite obviously.

"Rumor" has it that your slate did something that no one wants to come forth and put pen to paper about.

Lots of "Rumors" floating around out there.

Can we get back to this trial "Rumor" now? I REALLY like this rumor personally.

Tick Tock.

 

[Koolcat]

 

[Albert]

"Rumor" has it that my slate was going to do something that was never done quite obviously.

"Rumor" has it that your slate did something that no one wants to come forth and put pen to paper about.

Lots of "Rumors" floating around out there.

Can we get back to this trial "Rumor" now? I REALLY like this rumor personally.

Tick Tock.

Weez do me a favor when you can near a computer can you look up your wage rate in Workbrain I'm still at $30.17

 

[NYer]

"Rumor" has it that my slate was going to do something that was never done quite obviously.

"Rumor" has it that your slate did something that no one wants to come forth and put pen to paper about.

Lots of "Rumors" floating around out there.

Can we get back to this trial "Rumor" now? I REALLY like this rumor personally.

Tick Tock.

Funny. You usually rile against rumors, unless of course, you can use it to defer attention from the original subject matter.

 

[WeAAsles]

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Weez just for future reference can dues objectors and members not in good standing vote in the TWU elections?

No. And besides Al what NYer is talking about is being able to run for an office which I do agree your record of paying dues should be impeccable. The DOL though doesn't exactly see eye to eye with that opinion and is more than happy to let the homeless guy down by the river run for an office.

That's what happened a number of years back that I was not in MIA for.

 

[WeAAsles]

Funny. You usually rile against rumors, unless of course, you can use it to defer attention from the original subject matter.

You are playing the "Rumor" game here so you want to take that fun away from me now cause you don't like the rumor?

C'mon man it don't work that way.

Tick Tock.

 

[NYer]

No. And besides Al what NYer is talking about is being able to run for an office which I do agree your record of paying dues should be impeccable. The DOL though doesn't exactly see eye to eye with that opinion and is more than happy to let the homeless guy down by the river run for an office.

That's what happened a number of years back that I was not in MIA for.

Nope. Got that wrong too.

In each case, there was an attempt to manipulate the process to keep the competition down. As you can see from the last election, they needed all the help they could get.