JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[737823]

The IAM took their case to the arbitration and lost because the language in the TWU CBA was stronger and better protected the TWU members under those circumstances.

Everyone forgets the circumstances of the TWA merger, but it was not a bad deal at the time it was put together. Circumstances in the industry and 9/11 made the deal turn out bad.

Merger? It wasn't a merger, but on the whole merger vs. acquisition tag line that has been beaten to death on here the SLI process and MB doesn't distinguish as those are transactional/corporate finance structural details.

It was an acquisition of certain assets and at the time the transaction was consummated AMR committed to employ a substantial number of TWs employees. Obviously by 2003 things changed dramatically and Kasher still stands.

My point is if the vocal minority of IAM evangelists on here are so pleased why not let the IAM side of the a$$ assume representation of the ~1000 odd TW people? Why is STL a TWU station where AA had no meaningful presence prior to the TW transaction yet BOS as one of the oldest TWU locals (507) is slated to become an IAM station? Wouldn't the TW pepole like to be represented by Brother Sito Pantoja who is one of their own?

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

Merger? It wasn't a merger, but on the whole merger vs. acquisition tag line that has been beaten to death on here the SLI process and MB doesn't distinguish as those are transactional/corporate finance structural details.

It was an acquisition of certain assets and at the time the transaction was consummated AMR committed to employ a substantial number of TWs employees. Obviously by 2003 things changed dramatically and Kasher still stands.

My point is if the vocal minority of IAM evangelists on here are so pleased why not let the IAM side of the a$$ assume representation of the ~1000 odd TW people? Why is STL a TWU station where AA had no meaningful presence prior to the TW transaction yet BOS as one of the oldest TWU locals (507) is slated to become an IAM station? Wouldn't the TW pepole like to be represented by Brother Sito Pantoja who is one of their own?

Josh

Josh I think you missed the memo regarding that BOS Representation.

http://www.iamdl142.org/association-iam-twu-boston-agreement-letter/

 

[Albert]

Josh I think you missed the memo regarding that BOS Representation.

http://www.iamdl142.org/association-iam-twu-boston-agreement-letter/

Weez did the stang survive?

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez did the stang survive?

Yea Al. I got no electricity though. Came in to work after I found a gas station that had gas and was able to top off.

 

[bob@las-AA]

The latest flight threshold for LAA has come out.

Currently, the number of annual departures needed to keep a station open is 5475.

SAT = 4341
SJU = 4361
TPA = 5138
ATL = 5274
STL = 5532

These stations are being protected today by an LOA that holds to 2555 annual departures until September 12, 2018.

Just were did you get this data?

 

[NYer]

Just were did you get this data?

TWU.

 

[Albert]

Yea Al. I got no electricity though. Came in to work after I found a gas station that had gas and was able to top off.

That sucks I was eating Omaha steaks every day during Sandy, never thought I would get sick of steak but I did. I also had to light the burners of my stove with a match to heat water for a shower (of sorts). Now you know what if feels like to be one of Bob's customers

 

[Albert]

Which is what, .63-64 cents.

Here at LUS we get paid every two weeks so since it started on a Tuesday I think we might have to wait until two weeks from this past Monday to see it. Something like that

 

[WeAAsles]

That sucks I was eating Omaha steaks every day during Sandy, never thought I would get sick of steak but I did. I also had to light the burners of my stove with a match to heat water for a shower (of sorts). Now you know what if feels like to be one of Bob's customers

Could have been a lot worse. They had food here at the Airport. I'll stay here for awhile watching TV on my phone and then hit home and go right to bed. Cold showers.

 

[bob@las-AA]

TWU.

Sooo you just walked up and said where's my list and they just handed it over like that?

 

[NYer]

Sooo you just walked up and said where's my list and they just handed it over like that?

Pretty much. It isn't a secret. You can ask your representatives for the numbers.

This is from July and going back 12 months.

 

[robbedagain]

WeAA glad you made it Hope all those affected made it and able to come back to work

 

[737823]

Josh I think you missed the memo regarding that BOS Representation.

http://www.iamdl142.org/association-iam-twu-boston-agreement-letter/

I go to the IAM 141 not IAM 142 site. Tim H hasn't been up in the terminal for ages so I wasn't able to ask.

Point still stands, why is the IAM still around on the AA property PERIOD? Why did the IAM run away from the mess of TWA and ended the careers of thousands of their own "brothers and sisters" leaving AA/TWU with the mess of TWA? The TWU ultimately manned up and stepped aside after HP/US why can't the IAM do the same? Bob has asked this repeatedly. In 2001 the IAM was in a much stronger position both as a union and within the airline industry. They've continued on a downward spiral ever since.

If the TWU had any balls they would have laughed off this lame desperation move to remain on the property collecting dues and the LUS membership would be integrated under the AA TWU agreement absent sufficient showing of interest and a subsequent representational election.

Which btw as other workgroups are three going on four years into their new agreement you guys still don't have a JCBA. You realize a year from today the standalone AA TWU agreement would be amendable? Sure you got the interim wage adjustment and a few more work for LUS flying (and vice versa) but after the ink dries on this agreement and it gets implemented the other groups will be about to exchange openers on new agreements. Pretty pathetic any way you look at it.

No merger, no IAM absent the wage adjustment you would be at the same place. The LUS membership has been the primary beneficiary here no question about it.

Josh

 

[Steve Walegir]

Pretty much. It isn't a secret. You can ask

This is from July and going back 12 months.

What caused or triggered the number to go higher from 2555 to 5475?

 

[NYer]

What caused or triggered the number to go higher from 2555 to 5475?

It went from 2555 to 5475 in the BK CBA.

In that same CBA, there is a Letter of Agreement which protected the stations that remained under the 2555 number until September 12, 2018. After that date, they could lose their protected status and be subject to the 5475 number.