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Bob, thx for the chart. Yes your totals add up to the 314,00 and change, however it does not include any interest at all from year one of 1995. Man that's over 20 years of no interest or growth shown. Per Dave Ramsey (I know you either like him or hate him) The kind of savings and accounts you offer in your example minus any other retirement accounts, in another 10 years with average growth and interest he says you will be a million air 2-3 times over. I honestly believe the examples you provide would be a lot closer if not at or above 500K easily. And once you have reached that level is when you really start to see your growth on a daily or weekly basis as the interest really start to stand out with that kind of amount gaining in interest and good growth. If you honestly think that you will only make 300K at 20 years of savings then you need to do one of 2 things or both. Fire your advisor or finance expert you are using. OR get your duff and move your own crap around (401K) for a much better return growth and interest gaining. You should have noticed 2 major jumps in account growth at 100K and again at 250K, and once you hit that 500K, man it really shoots up there or yes even down depending on the market which is where having full control of you retirement comes in real handy on moving your assets around and not counting on some lazy dumb a$$ to do it for you, it's not his money and he has too many accounts at 1 million plus-plus to worry about your little ole 300K account. He makes way more money off the much larger accounts to worry about the smaller ones. That's why I like my full control of my accounts. In-Out, stay, move, reallocate, freeze, 10%-100% I can do what ever when ever I want. You can not do this at all with a pension fund. I know you were not claiming a pension fund but throwing that out there as a comparison between the two.


Instead of us fighting over this. We had a good pension, and we could also invest into 401k. The pension was the primary means for most people, and the 401k which had some alright options, didn't have a match, nor didit have all the options that it does now. The new 401k, has endless possiblities and that's what we have to start encouraging one and all.

This iampf hates labor. It encourages part time, ready reserve. It compromises negotiations. lf I were an officer, of the Iam, I would love it.
 
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Instead of us fighting over this. We had a good pension, and we could also invest into 401k. The pension was the primary means for most people, and the 401k which had some alright options, didn't have a match, nor didit have all the options that it does now. The new 401k, has endless possiblities and that's what we have to start encouraging one and all.

This iampf hates labor. It encourages part time, ready reserve. It compromises negotiations. lf I were an officer, of the Iam, I would love it.
Huh, you lost me on the last paragraph. Too bad you were on a roll
 
Bob, thx for the chart. Yes your totals add up to the 314,00 and change, however it does not include any interest at all from year one of 1995. Man that's over 20 years of no interest or growth shown.

You don't get it, find me that person that is capable of differing almost 55% of his/her income, not a lot out there, so adding earnings would be pointless, only because the odds of someone having the perfect set of circumstances that would allow them to max out every year for the past 20+ years, are very slim.
 
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Huh, you lost me on the last paragraph. Too bad you were on a roll

Have you looked at the restrictions on it, that people have posted? Can you see, where part time to full time ratios/ready reserve might get increased or are higher now, because those laborers, are funding the iampf, and aren't benefiting from it. It wouldn't surprise if Prez's future gardeners and maids were former part time rampers that never get full time.
 
Have you looked at the restrictions on it, that people have posted?
I'm 58 I could draw now and for the last few years if I wanted to. I doubt anyone in fleet would retire and start another "career" doing the same thing. I had buddies go to the LIRR and have been collecting for years.
 
Have you looked at the restrictions on it, that people have posted? Can you see, where part time to full time ratios/ready reserve might get increased or are higher now, because those laborers, are funding the iampf, and aren't benefiting from it. It wouldn't surprise if Prez's future gardeners and maids were former part time rampers that never get full time.
A part timer works less therefore receive less benefits. Makes sense how many part time jobs give a retirement" Don't get me wrong I'm totally on your side you should be given a choice, no doubt about it. I must admit it is starting to look like they are going to come back and say they know what's best for you and try and sell you math similar to PREZ
 
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I must admit it is starting to look like they are going to come back and say they no what's best for you and try and sell you math similar to PREZ

If that happens, I fully expect the M&R contract to be voted down overwhelmingly.
The Fleet side might not care and vote for it.
The only way the M&R side ratifies that is if the votes are fixed.
 
If that happens, I fully expect the M&R contract to be voted down overwhelmingly.
The Fleet side might not care and vote for it.
The only way the M&R side ratifies that is if the votes are fixed.
Agree, I'm stuck with it but for some reason it doesn't seem like fleet is as passionate. Proportionally they have just as much to lose. Maybe because I'm around young kids here, when I was 18 it was the farthest thing from my mind
 
If that happens, I fully expect the M&R contract to be voted down overwhelmingly.
The Fleet side might not care and vote for it.
The only way the M&R side ratifies that is if the votes are fixed.


Ok so let's say in fantasyland the TA comes out. All Aircraft Maintenance jobs brought back in house, TOS goes to $60.00 not counting licenses immediately, 5% per year raises on a 5 year deal, Total complete restore and SUPER more. They even throw in a $100,000 buyout, Free Medical till 65, and a new car for all who have 20 years or more with AA.

BUT ARGH the damned IAMPF is in there.

You still say it will go down in flames?
 
Ok so let's say in fantasyland the TA comes out. All Aircraft Maintenance jobs brought back in house, TOS goes to $60.00 not counting licenses immediately, 5% per year raises on a 5 year deal, Total complete restore and SUPER more. They even throw in a $100,000 buyout, Free Medical till 65, and a new car for all who have 20 years or more with AA.

BUT ARGH the damned IAMPF is in there.

You still say it will go down in flames?
Weez we are not in fantasyland it really looks like they might try to force this on you. I'm reading between the lines but the way a certain negotiator is trying to defend it would make me concerned if I were AA
 
Weez we are not in fantasyland it really looks like they might try to force this on you. I'm reading between the lines but the way a certain negotiator is trying to defend it would make me concerned if I were AA


I don't know what "they're" going to do? There are a decent amount of "they're" people we're talking about here. An S Load of TWU Presidents and IAM AGC's, Alex, Sito, Mike, Tommy, Etc, etc, Company people, a bunch of them too. Better known as the check writers.

Forced? How am I forced Al? If the JCBA is good and maybe in that retirement area we get the UAL deal of IAMPF and 3 or 4% 401k Match, that's more than fine by me.

This doomsday crap that's been on here the last few weeks has really gotten pretty stupid now. It's past the point of asinine. Human beings are nothing more than frightened freakin rabbits man.
 
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Weez we are not in fantasyland it really looks like they might try to force this on you. I'm reading between the lines but the way a certain negotiator is trying to defend it would make me concerned if I were AA


And BTW I haven't read Prez defend the (IAMNPF) even once. Not at all period!!!!

The man has defended the value of having a Pension, he's shared how his retirement is going, he's shared some math and he's shared the same thing I agree with 100%, "DIVERSITY"

I even read him write that he shares the concerns of others here about the IAMPF but everyone ignored that part in their sheer terror that Freddy Krueger has his knives on and is in the Boiler Room.

The IAMNPF is the new Freddy Krueger, Michael Myers, Jason Vorhees, Dracula and the Mummy all rolled up into one. LMAO.
 
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