1.one with no concessions such as LUS goin to AA insurance for example.
2. You got to remember 2 different unions with vastly different CBAs.
3.The pilots, flight attendants and the gate/tkt agents are not as happy from what i hear.
4.Inside folks gave up baggage service which to me is a concession given company multi billion dollar profits.
5. I do believe they should have far more talks scheduled.
6.Grandfather in all current cities. Use US scope rather than LAA scope for example.
7.Sick yes that must be repaired
1. Good luck. Every other work group was moved to AA insurance, the IAM and TWU are basically married to playing ball with the company. I'll explain later...
2. I'm also remembering the
3 different pilots unions, East, West and AA.
4 months later, they were
all one and making a whole lot more money. Somebody is going to have to come with a compelling case that the pilots contract is not as complicated as ours before I'll believe it.
3. Might not be totally happy, but the pilots and F/A's got their money very quickly and recently got even more outside of the contract language, while we still remain with the absolute worst benefits in the industry. My heart bleeds for them, NOT.
4. They got the union to put it up for a vote,
enough voters wanted the money, thats how it works and stay tuned on your
#1, and #6 points, the exact same strategery is coming to a JCBA near you soon.
5. Welcome to the club.
You know what I don't see? International union leaders calling out the company for lack of negotiations and pi$$ poor pace.
Does anybody else ask themselves why not? Or are you good with the "it's complicated" line, which has basically been blown up.
My take:
Both of these unions are beholden to the company for even being on the property.
The company only had to dispute the forming of the "Association" to the NMB and there would have been a vote triggered for representation rights.
It was well within the companies right , they didn't need to give a reason.
Instead, there was no objection to the "Association" and the NMB slid it in without any of us getting to vote on our cool new representation. Awesome ,isn't it?
If you don't think that little maneuver by the company didn't come at a cost, you're not being intellectually honest with yourself.
There WILL be concessions.
You WILL be put on AA health insurance.
Your scope WILL be the LAA scope or worse for fleet and the LUS scope for M&R which is worse than LAA.
And, I believe, until I see otherwise, we will all be forced into the IAMPF if the JCBA is voted in, because they will try and make it fly, after a nice and lengthy delay.
Oh yes indeed, the "Association" is going to have to "pay up" in order enjoy the benefit of being on the property.
You see, both unions knew a representation vote was going to go very badly for at least one of them and most likely both of them in M&R so they made a deal with the devil.
They need 50% +1, that's the way the world works.
Final point.
Prove me wrong Association. Show me a JCBA that is truly industry leading in every facet and lets every single LAA member
stay out of the IAMPF regardless of where they are in the system, be it TWU station or IAM station.
Don't forget, there are stations that will go all IAM after the JCBA and some that will go all TWU.
~ Will any current LAA TWU members in those stations be forced into the IAMPF simply because they will be in the IAM because of location, never getting to vote on that representation change?
~Will any current LUS IAM members in those stations that are TWU get to exit the IAMPF as they will no longer be IAM because of location, again, never getting to vote on that representation change?
Does anybody think this should be discussed with our negotiators before they put any IAMPF language in the contract for anybody?
I'd love to hear P.Rez's musings on my last point.
The silence from our NC on the IAMPF issue is deafening.
Actually, I only hear Rez say how much better a Pension is than a 401K, when nothing could be further from the truth.
