JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Yes I am. I'm one of the Senior Plumbers who flushed you OUT. You were a drain clog.

Just keep telling yourself that WeAAsles. I am sure eventually even YOU will believe it.

You better hope the UNION last your career because if former Association employees ever become at will employees American Airlines will start cutting the dead weight and you will be in serious trouble.

I on the other hand am on my fourth promotion since I left the company.

Not bad for a drain clog.

I think the reason you love the UNION so much is because in the real world you could never make it past a low paid, entry level nobody.

Have a nice day.

 

[WeAAsles]

Just keep telling yourself that WeAAsles. I am sure eventually even YOU will believe it.

You better hope the UNION last your career because if former Association employees ever become at will employees American Airlines will start cutting the dead weight and you will be in serious trouble.

I on the other hand am on my fourth promotion since I left the company.

Not bad for a drain clog.

I think the reason you love the UNION so much is because in the real world you could never make it past a low paid, entry level nobody.

Have a nice day.

Wow aren't you something special special special. 4 promotions? You must be one hell of a professional brown noser? Smooch smooch smooch.

Walmart assistant manager already.

Good for you there little Johnny. Your Mommy must be so proud.

Have a nice day yourself there.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Wow aren't you something special special special. 4 promotions?

That's right. How many promotions have you gotten in the last 20 years?

You must be one hell of a professional brown noser? Smooch smooch smooch.

Says the guy on here everyday kissing ASS(ociation).

Actually I got what I have because I studied and worked for it. That is a foreign concept to you I know.

Walmart assistant manager already.

Funny.

Hey, I understand, it is much easier to tear down someone else's accomplishments rather than accomplish anything on your own.

Good for you there little Johnny. Your Mommy must be so proud.

Yes, she is.

Have a nice day yourself there.

I will.

 

[WeAAsles]

That's right. How many promotions have you gotten in the last 20 years?

Says the guy on here everyday kissing ASS(ociation).

Actually I got what I have because I studied and worked for it. That is a foreign concept to you I know.

Funny.

Hey, I understand, it is much easier to tear down someone else's accomplishments rather than accomplish anything on your own.

Yes, she is.

I will.

Troll you got some SERIOUS self esteem issues man. I don't know you. Why should I give two pisses about you? What do you really come here for? These people hate you almost as much as me. You're as big a jerk as I am. But you have to try to tell everyone you're special and you don't need us and you're glad you're gone.

But here you are all the time yacking away? You're not happy. You're full of crap. And I'm not tearing you down. You come after me and WANT me to put you down. Ok then I will. I think from what you write here you're garbage and I'm glad you were flushed down the toilet.

You kept bothering me trying to get my attention (pathetic) well you got it now. You win. You broke me down and made me respond to you. Again if you needed my attention so bad you're really one pathetic dude. Not my problem.

 

[WeAAsles]

Fa La La is very special.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Walmart assistant manager already.

Do you have something against the employees of Walmart?

You come after me and WANT me to put you down.

Wow, you are finally getting smarter. You are welcome.

Remember that time I manipulated you into blowing your top... that was funny.

You win.

I already knew that. Now you do to.

How does it feel knowing your a little puppet I use to amuse myself?



Hows that ego feeling?

 

[Albert]

Went out of business Al. Next?

Eastern locked out their union employees.Remnants merged later

 

[bob@las-AA]

Eastern locked out their union employees.Remnants merged later

I was in MIA, and was watching the now locked out employees through buckets of white paint at the offices on Le Jeune.

 

[gulfcoast1]

Has anyone watched the LGA town hall on Jetnet? Isom tries to talk about the contract but stumbles some. What worries me is he keeps bringing up pension as a difficult issue. He says pension and not 401k. He might say retirement some but the word pension keeps coming up. Then Weel takes over and he sounds more concerned about Scope.

Maybe CB or PRez can elaborate as much as possible about why Isom sounds so concerned about pensions. I am concerned that he is concerned. The more I hear and the more I think about it, I do not think LAA should be forced into the IAMPF. I think a 10% match would be appropriate for the 401k for those not in the IAMPF. Maybe Weas or Bob can give a number of what anount of increase in the 401k would equate to what the company puts into the IAMPF for IAM employees?

I would like to know what CB and PRez think the major issue will be out of everything.

Is it retirement and will LAA be forced into the IAMPF? I think a couple weeks ago CB said he did not think LAA would be forced.

Is it Scope and do you think we will end up with something in between LAa and LUS for Fleet Service?

I think Isom mentions LAA scope in the Town Hall but I think he is talking about AC Maintenance being better on the LAA side? From what I understand LUS has better scope on the Fleet Service side.

Isom mentions that things are moving with the mediator and he says VC and Holidays being industry leading should not be a problem. They might have mentioned Healthcare but I don't think they mentioned it as much as Pension and Scope.

What is the biggest issue and do you think July is still possible for a contract?

 

[Traymark]

Watched the LGA town hall,
Reading between the lines, my take away is the Association leaders are struggling with how they will couch a JCBA that will reduce jobs in the face of record profits and force LAA into the IAMPF when they know the vast majority of LAA do not want it.


My prediction, they will continue to kick the can and drag out negotiations into next year when enough LAA will either be dead or gone or just give up , at least enough of them , and vote on anything.
Again , they only need 50% +1.
LUS is just fine with what we have now, they don't care how long it takes, this about the majority on the property LAA, and the Association and the company are not yet done with that stew.

My advise to all , lower your expectations.

Thank you Jim Little.

 

[NYer]

Has anyone watched the LGA town hall on Jetnet? Isom tries to talk about the contract but stumbles some. What worries me is he keeps bringing up pension as a difficult issue. He says pension and not 401k. He might say retirement some but the word pension keeps coming up. Then Weel takes over and he sounds more concerned about Scope.

Maybe CB or PRez can elaborate as much as possible about why Isom sounds so concerned about pensions. I am concerned that he is concerned. The more I hear and the more I think about it, I do not think LAA should be forced into the IAMPF. I think a 10% match would be appropriate for the 401k for those not in the IAMPF. Maybe Weas or Bob can give a number of what anount of increase in the 401k would equate to what the company puts into the IAMPF for IAM employees?

I would like to know what CB and PRez think the major issue will be out of everything.

Is it retirement and will LAA be forced into the IAMPF? I think a couple weeks ago CB said he did not think LAA would be forced.

Is it Scope and do you think we will end up with something in between LAa and LUS for Fleet Service?

I think Isom mentions LAA scope in the Town Hall but I think he is talking about AC Maintenance being better on the LAA side? From what I understand LUS has better scope on the Fleet Service side.

Isom mentions that things are moving with the mediator and he says VC and Holidays being industry leading should not be a problem. They might have mentioned Healthcare but I don't think they mentioned it as much as Pension and Scope.

What is the biggest issue and do you think July is still possible for a contract?

We won't get 10% unless the IAM gets about $3 per hour into their pension plan. That would be a huge boost from current levels and unlike the 401K, it would be to all IAM members.

 

[WeAAsles]

My takeaway from the 14 minute segment I just watched is you can take away from it the negative, positive or realistic viewpoint depending on your frame of mind.

On the SCOPE conversation yes he's not lying about how many more people work for AA than DL. And the majority of that disparity is in Maintenance. So Traymark I'm tired of going on to your thread and the rock throwers there ignoring that fact, so the debate there just isn't worth it anymore.

Two things stood out to me. Isom said "Industry leading compensation" this time instead of "Industry leading wages" That's a nice turn of phrase instead of just zeroing in on wages.

He also mentioned Profit Sharing? So that means their is conversation on that. And I'll continue to say they can keep the PS and I'll take back the original 7% above if offered.

He also said that a lot of progress was made which is very contradictory to what people around here like to dream up in their glass half empty minds. He also said he was very confident that this would be done soon and that the cross utilization was not everything that the Company needed.

He also said that he was basically well aware of things said on Social Media pages and covered many things we've even talked about here. Our hurling of rocks at each other. Pretty pathetic if you ask me when it sounds like Management is telling us we shouldn't be doing that.

 

[WeAAsles]

Has anyone watched the LGA town hall on Jetnet? Isom tries to talk about the contract but stumbles some. What worries me is he keeps bringing up pension as a difficult issue. He says pension and not 401k. He might say retirement some but the word pension keeps coming up. Then Weel takes over and he sounds more concerned about Scope.

Maybe CB or PRez can elaborate as much as possible about why Isom sounds so concerned about pensions. I am concerned that he is concerned. The more I hear and the more I think about it, I do not think LAA should be forced into the IAMPF. I think a 10% match would be appropriate for the 401k for those not in the IAMPF. Maybe Weas or Bob can give a number of what anount of increase in the 401k would equate to what the company puts into the IAMPF for IAM employees?

I would like to know what CB and PRez think the major issue will be out of everything.

Is it retirement and will LAA be forced into the IAMPF? I think a couple weeks ago CB said he did not think LAA would be forced.

Is it Scope and do you think we will end up with something in between LAa and LUS for Fleet Service?

I think Isom mentions LAA scope in the Town Hall but I think he is talking about AC Maintenance being better on the LAA side? From what I understand LUS has better scope on the Fleet Service side.

Isom mentions that things are moving with the mediator and he says VC and Holidays being industry leading should not be a problem. They might have mentioned Healthcare but I don't think they mentioned it as much as Pension and Scope.

What is the biggest issue and do you think July is still possible for a contract?

I didn't hear anyone in that room say Pension was a "difficulty" or "concern" I heard Isom say it's a part of the conversation which of course it is and would be. He didn't say anything specific to what those conversations are or who they would "concern" And just because he didn't mention 401k you're overanalyzing your own fear that it's not a part of talks. Of course that would be talked about as well.

And on SCOPE he says we're nitpicking each other's contracts if we just focus on say Hollidays. Understandable though since it's an in your face easy focus. But both groups have items our contracts that are better and worse than the others.

He also did not say that VC's and Hollidays being industry leading shouldn't be a problem. He did say again that basically we're focusing too much on those aspects of a full JCBA IMO.

I didn't hear any telegraphing from either Isom or Weel as to what's been agreed to or not in that video except for the thing we already got. The wage increases.

 

[NYer]

Having a Mediator facilitate the negotiations only means that the unions will be pressured to get items close to industry levels. It will be an outside set of eyes that will see and share their perspective that we will need to make adjustments in our expectations or we will be in these negotiations for a much longer period than what anyone expects.

When we ask for what other airlines have, like pay, the Company will also ask for what airlines have which may not be in our interests. The Mediator, as a facilitator will make that point very clear. It will be up to negotiations team to dictate how we move ahead. Compromise or keep the process open.

It isn't unreasonable to expect these talks will be running towards the amendable dates of the current CBA's unless there are changes in medical, scope and retirement that will not be popular.

 

[NYer]

My takeaway from the 14 minute segment I just watched is you can take away from it the negative, positive or realistic viewpoint depending on your frame of mind...

...He also said that he was basically well aware of things said on Social Media pages and covered many things we've even talked about here. Our hurling of rocks at each other. Pretty pathetic if you ask me when it sounds like Management is telling us we shouldn't be doing that.

Says the king of rock throwing.