JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[robbedagain]

LA LI LU LE LO How about those who have a pre existing condition or those who have disabilities and were born with it This is a major area of the Republican Healthcare crap that should of been repaired not taken away Its down right horrible they decided to throw it out the window I know hospitals have a hell of a responsibility but again there should be ways to fix everything in the healthcare

 

[psa8979]

POTUS Uncle Agent Orange DT is today for what they have in the Land Down Under . Medicare for ALL ! Tomorrow ? Who knows ?
TN i would bet SCOPE is why Ass.and DP/AAL are at a Impasse and have assigned Puchala ???

 

[psa8979]

 

[Tim Nelson]

POTUS Uncle Agent Orange DT is today for what they have in the Land Down Under . Medicare for ALL ! Tomorrow ? Who knows ?
TN i would bet SCOPE is why Ass.and DP/AAL are at a Impasse and have assigned Puchala ???

Scope is a hangup. But the company exhausted its position on health care. With the potential rollback of the 40% tax that is bigtime news that causes the company position to lose leverage.

For those reasons, i really cant see any reasonable JCBA where we cough up displacement protections and health care. Im assuming we wont lose catering since it survived 2 bankruptcies but now the company makes billions.

 

[john john]

Scope is a hangup. But the company exhausted its position on health care. With the potential rollback of the 40% tax that is bigtime news that causes the company position to lose leverage.

For those reasons, i really cant see any reasonable JCBA where we cough up displacement protections and health care. Im assuming we wont lose catering since it survived 2 bankruptcies but now the company makes billions.

LUS airport Passenger Service Agents contract was Gutted of scope and gave up a lot job functions with the company making billions and it survived 2 bankruptcies moreover CWA/IBT had major leverage at the bargaining table

 

[wings396]

They still managed to retain the work in ALL of the outstations, and several have Zero ML flights. Even though they lost the baggage service work, I don't believe that anyone has lost their job over it. Sure some had to move to a different work area, but at least it's within the same station. Even with their last CBA, they have far superior scope language than fleet can ever hope to.

 

[WeAAsles]

LUS airport Passenger Service Agents contract was Gutted of scope and gave up a lot job functions with the company making billions and it survived 2 bankruptcies moreover CWA/IBT had major leverage at the bargaining table

gut
ɡət/
verb
past tense: gutted; past participle: gutted

1. 1.
   take out the intestines and other internal organs of (a fish or other animal) before cooking it.
   synonyms: remove the guts from, disembowel, draw;
   formaleviscerate
   "clean, scale, and gut the trout"
   
   It's painfully obvious that you don't give a rats A about the former LAA side of your group who again had no contract and no protections from being evicerated if there had been pushback from the Company.
   
   Explain exactly how your SCOPE was "gutted"? An extreme overexageration I'm sure. What did the ENTIRE collective gain from that CBA? Which BTW was passed by 72% yes to 28% no.
   
   

 

[john john]

So if some core work and catering is outsourced and nobody loses “their job over it”
It’s ok

There you go coming your way “ENTIRE collective gain from that CBA?”

 

[john john]

gutted

adjective
British
informal

• Bitterly disappointed or upset.
  
  ‘I know how gutted the players must feel’

 

[john john]

1. 
   Explain exactly how your SCOPE was "gutted"?

All ready done

 

[john john]

if there had been pushback from the Company.

AA had already picked the low hanging fruit at LAA do to the fact they decided to stay non-union for so long. The fact that the company is making billions and is the largest airline in the world with filed objections form the government on file. And we had the golden opportunity to be in section 6 negotiations unlike any other employee group on the property with a company that is making billions and your threading the LAA Passenger Service Group is exactly what management wanted. LAA airport agents are starting to see the reality of the current contract

Give be a break

“if there had been pushback from the Company.”

You have no grit

 

[WeAAsles]

So if some core work and catering is outsourced and nobody loses “their job over it”
It’s ok

There you go coming your way “ENTIRE collective gain from that CBA?”

Your story is VERY different then ours. You had somewhere near 8000 or so new members who had no pants when they married you, gain pants.

You guys had to pay the dowry.

Our marriage everyone came in fully dressed already and no dowry is needed.

 

[john john]

Your story is VERY different then ours..

Yep!

We had more leverage than you

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

LA LI LU LE LO How about those who have a pre existing condition or those who have disabilities and were born with it This is a major area of the Republican Healthcare crap that should of been repaired not taken away Its down right horrible they decided to throw it out the window I know hospitals have a hell of a responsibility but again there should be ways to fix everything in the healthcare

Nobody wants people to suffer because of medical issues.

However, socializing the exponentially rising cost is not the fix, lowering the cost is.

Same answer as before.

It should not cost $21 million dollars a year to treat hemophilia.

I think everyone on this forum can agree medical costs in this country are absolutely outrageous.

That can all be traced back to socializing cost through insurance.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/arizon...stings-worse-scorpion-venom/story?id=17163685

The poison control center advised Edmonds to go to a hospital, so she went to Chandler Regional Medical Center, where doctors administered two vials of a relatively new anti-venom called Anascorp, which was approved by the Federal Drug Administration last August and is distributed to hospitals for about $3,800 per vial, toxicologists say.

Edmonds left the hospital after a three hour stay, but the bill that arrived several weeks later came out to $83,046, or $39,652 per Anascorp vial, ABCNews.com confirmed. That's about 10 times what the hospital paid for each vial.

The drug is made from horse antibodies and comes from Mexico, where it costs about $100 per dose, according to Kaiser Health News.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...al-treatment-scorpion-sting-article-1.1152754

Edmond's insurance, Humana, covered $57, 509 of the charges. Now, she's being asked to foot the remainder - $25, 537.

Here are some highlights from this story for your consideration. Cost to manufacture $100, cost to the hospital $3,800, cost to the patient $39,652.

and..... here is the icing on the cake.

http://archive.azcentral.com/arizon...cuts-scorpion-antivenom-price-80-percent.html

After The Arizona Republic reported the charges, the hospital said it would review its pricing for the drug. Arizona Department of Health Services records show the hospital has lowered its price to $8,000 per dose of Anascorp, a discount of $31,652, or 80 percent, per dose from its previous charge.

How very nice of them.....................

If you can't read this example and see how socializing cost through insurance created this mess to begin with I don't know what else I can do to convince you. I can only conclude you are willfully turning a blind eye in favor of political ideals. Socializing it further is not going to fix the cost issue. It is only going to make it worse.

 

[gulfcoast1]

I just wanted to extract part of this proposed trumpcare that should loosen company leverage since trumpcare told the companies not to worry about the 40% excise tax till 2025. Otherwise, i personally think Obamacare was necessary. Disappointed that Trump flipped and tossed out pre existing for a few more Republican votes so he can claim he won. Really?

One reason drug costs are so high is (it wasn't all gop though)

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-acti...ers-gop-blocked-trump-proposal-on-drug-prices

The party in control of Congress is coming for worker's overtime next. LAA and LUS should not have to worry for now, as our overtime is contractual, but this is one of the big reasons why Union Leaders support and endorse Democrats. In some instances, there is not much of a difference between the parties, but when it comes to supporting labor there is a big difference between parties. I don't understand how a union member would support someone who obviously supports big business over labor.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ime-rules-for-workers/?utm_term=.3b2441cd4f21

This is in reply to other comments on this forum.