JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Albert]

I don't know about disappointed depending on what's in the total agreement that would add value to us or me as an individual? But I would actually be surprised and I'd be worried about it failing if the members don't see that shiny little up front bauble.

Whenever it comes of course I'll do my own cost analysis on it for how it works for me.

Of course you will, you are the Weez

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Here's my Horse bet. 3% over the DL April rate DOS, 2% first 3 years and 2.5% the last two. One year early opener.

Care to place a wager?

i think that's a bit too low.

your wage scale progression has us less that 2% over ua's max rate of $33.30 in dec. of 2021. i have your wages at around $33.94 after 4 years of DOS...likely the summer of 2021.

considering profit sharing for both dl & ua, and all of dl, ua and southwest...those wages would be a disappointment.

i'd be content with 3% over dl's $30.15 for a summer of 2017 DOS at $31.05/hr and satisfied with a max rate of $35.00/hr by the summer of 2021.

you never know, they may both agree on a max rate of $34.50/hr, split between our max wages. i'd have to see where we improved in other areas before being content with that.

 

[WeAAsles]

i think that's a bit too low.

your wage scale progression has us less that 2% over ua's max rate of $33.30 in dec. of 2021. i have your wages at around $33.94 after 4 years of DOS...likely the summer of 2021.

considering profit sharing for both dl & ua, and all of dl, ua and southwest...those wages would be a disappointment.

i'd be content with 3% over dl's $30.15 for a summer of 2017 DOS at $31.05/hr and satisfied with a max rate of $35.00/hr by the summer of 2021.

you never know, they may both agree on a max rate of $34.50/hr, split between our max wages. i'd have to see where we improved in other areas before being content with that.

Check out this on a conversation I was having yesterday on the Maintenance thread.

"Industry reset"

Alright yea the language is not 3% and it doesn't take into account that PS but it's nice because it doesn't keep us stagnant. And remember at Delta with no contract what is giveth can be taketh away.

http://02cc047.netsolhost.com/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/93016UALTAIndustryComparison.pdf

 

[CremaDiLimone]

true about dl...though i feel as though dl will further widen their profit sharing parameters instead of chipping away at base pay. dl will hit the $30 plateau and now that they will be given that, i believe dl management will keep them there for awhile.

we saw that aa plans to commit nearly $2.25 billion to our frozen pensions over the next 3 years - an expense that puts aa at a financial disadvantage to dl & ua. if we are to get a $35.00/hr max pay rate, something has to give. operational-wise & preformance-wise.

when i first got hired, card games..chess...all common. not anymore. i see envoy in my station play card games and video games while premium intl. bags connecting to envoy are burning 50 yards away. my take is that if we are to do this work - regional jet service, we will be held accountable at $35.00/hr. i have no issue with that, despite it sounding i want to see fellow fscs disciplined for poor/lackadaisical preformance.

things will change, behooving the company..but at $35.00/hr, i have no problem with that.

 

[P. REZ]

Update

I know nothing has been put out officially but we are in negotiations numerous days in the coming weeks starting next week.

P. Rez

 

[Koolcat]

absolutely, and not only united's profit sharing, but also southwest's. they each have less employees and their profit sharing distribution of wage % was in the mid teens.

i believe that dl is done with the raises for a long while. they also widened the profit sharing parameters and this year, there is a 1/3 less in the kitty than last year. $1 billion is still a fantastic amount of money. really speaks well about dl, and we know that ua's munoz is doing what he promised, changing the culture at ua. southwest has surpassed ua as the 3rd most profitable airline and ua has the highest paid fscs. munoz put his money where is mouth is.

where the association and the company can address the profit sharing discrepancy is through wages. if we are making $2.00/hr more than dl on DOS this will nearly cover the spread for a FT, apprx. $4,500 (not counting holidays & differential) a year more in base pay than dl.

if we do max out at $35.00/hr, and dl's wages remain stagnant...this $5 gap ($11,000 not counting holiday pay & differential) will cover and surpass dl's total compensation levels.

the only way to address this is through wages. i don't anticipate the company sweetening the profit sharing deal nor will they pay generous yearly bonuses.

from what i have heard and pieced together, lombardo & pantoja are there for the $$. to bring us back an industry leading contract.

Right now , Profit Sharing is not a contractual item, unless you're willing to trade.

 

[WeAAsles]

Right now , Profit Sharing is not a contractual item, unless you're willing to trade.

Be careful not to bite your tongue as you're lapping your milk there Katmandu.

 

[Koolcat]

There are several tentative dates set for negotiations but I haven't seen any official clarification yet. I'm confident you will see several confirmed dates soon.

P. Rez

My understanding was that lombardo and Sito was taking over negotiations? What happen ? Is this another scam

I'm finito with any predictions man. I got a clown out there that likes to throw at me "You said we would" when he can't figure out what a Football pool box means.

I don't think I'm going to have a choice on the 8 in the future? Looks like the 6 is going bye bye.

Hey, WeAAsle, don't care about your car or money you make, go find a illegal chica in Miami and impress her not us

 

[Koolcat]

Update

I know nothing has been put out officially but we are in negotiations numerous days in the coming weeks starting next week.

P. Rez

What happen to transparency in these two unions ? I'm completely disgusted that our NC feels that 2 TA'ed articles in 6 months is called progress

 

[Koolcat]

And I don't want to hear how difficult it is on blending language from two contracts. You guys had your chance in the beginning but decided to have a pissing contest.

 

[Albert]

My understanding was that lombardo and Sito was taking over negotiations? What happen ? Is this another scam

Hey, WeAAsle, don't care about your car or money you make, go find a illegal chica in Miami and impress her not us

The Weez keeps getting kicked in the a$$

 

[Koolcat]

The membership is up in arms of not having a contract that is leading not only in Wages but in language and benefits. We must not trade one for another.

 

[Koolcat]

Rate of pay always out preforms profit sharing! Always has and always will.

 

[WeAAsles]

The Weez keeps getting kicked in the a$$

Maybe I should get another illegal Chica? My blowup doll is starting to bore me.

 

[Albert]

Maybe I should get another illegal Chica? My blowup doll is starting to bore me.

Maybe you could swap dolls with Bob his is wearing a holster since he moved to TX