JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

To be fair to the guy since he makes the accusation that I'm pandering to the IAM side I'd love to hear from someone on the TWU side for Fleet?

Maybe AANOTOK would be so inclined?

 

[Albert]

To be fair to the guy since he makes the accusation that I'm pandering to the IAM side I'd love to hear from someone on the TWU side for Fleet?

Maybe AANOTOK would be so inclined?

You are probably better off asking some one where LUS and AA has similar operations. With AANOTOK's time and the fact he works at DFW he might not even notice the merger.Besides he's probably to busy trying to avoid Bob

 

[WeAAsles]

You are probably better off asking some one where LUS and AA has similar operations. With AANOTOK's time and the fact he works at DFW he might not even notice the merger.Besides he's probably to busy trying to avoid Bob

Well unless I'm the boy living in the plastic bubble the guy makes the comment that "everyone" is complaining about the Merger and the Seniority integration decision?

I don't know? I'm on 3 Facebook group pages for AA Fleet and have heard almost NO grumblings at all since the raises came in.

As for the Javits decision just one guy out of the gate from former TWA who was rambling on and on just like this guy. He finally petered out about a week ago.

Those pages otherwise have been pretty much as quiet as Church Mice.

 

[WeAAsles]

We didn't even dream about the present pay rate at America West. The US/HP merger was a financial boon in itself. Even at the wages after the US bk contract their payscale was filthy lucre. Unfortunately, there were a few cremes at that station who accused us of riding their coattails. Not a majority but a whiny, miserable minority.

You just nailed it on the head with this one. Those people are the minority. They don't like being the minority though and they're pissed as hell that no one else is listening to them.

They're angry about whatever they're angry about and they want us to join them in their whiny little misery.

Those are people who will NEVER be happy. They really don't want to be.

 

[robbedagain]

I agree Parker knows how to shake the money tree. Yes he has done certainly a dam good job at HP, US, now hopefully we will get industry leading contract but we shall see

 

[wings396]

Lakefield wasn't here to run the airline, and looking back neither was anyone else from 1990 until 2005. I've said it many times already, but the beginning of the end on the US side came shortly following the mergers of US, PI, and PS. Uncle Ed went on a buying spree, and handed the unfinished business over to Schoefield when he decided to friggen retire before finishing what he started. Seth was a good guy, but not equipped to handle the mess that he was left. From that day forward, US was strictly in survival mode. Wolf was only around to polish up the place to prep for a sale to UA, and we all know how that went. After his crew, the others were just onboard to load their pockets, and set US up for BK. I must say the Parker is the only CEO that has been dedicated to running the airline.

 

[Talos]

so this place is the famous small pond/big fish. you have 10,000 posts and you didn't know that legacy us air fscs have benefited more (pay & seniority) from this merger? yet, you're trying to dictate the narrative of what you say, is the be all, end all? you have scolded some posters about their opinion about that...and you're wrong. you seem angry that someone challenged you on that.

as far as the seniority issue, again, all you do is try to steer the narrative. he's angry, he's angry at us air...ok, act as though you want to be informed, then mock the issue...then attempt to ingratiate yourself to us air posters. rinse repeat. eeeww...maybe i'll shy away. do you think someone is trying to dethrone you on this forum as the baggage handler guru? is this 8th grade or high school?

seniority is important. that's why you're in mia, in case you haven't noticed. fairness is another issue. as you said, sometimes, life isn't fair....though, if it's work-related, one can certainly talk about it here - as much as you go to the AMT thread and tell the mechanics their business or you telling me that you defeated life's rainy days and mondays and are happy in mia. God bless you.





i think it's great that you ran. no sarcasm. as far as the rest, i never asked you to kiss my ass. as far as ass kissing, i do notice you kind of grovel a bit and try to ingratiate yourself to posters you wish to manipulate against your self-perceived pond enemies.

how long til your next 'creamy hates us air post' out of thin air to a legacy us air finance academic? the kind that tells me that aa artificially inflated it's balance sheet prior to a chapter 11 filing? really profound stuff. he would have been better off just telling me that he is captain piedmont and not attempt to crap over aa..after presented with a painful truism: us air filed for bk twice in the early 2000s.

you guys want to run the board? no problem. those who want respect, give respect.

Lots of issues with any airline merger, and this one has workers who have been screwed over for years. It is next to impossible to see fairness for everyone, but you just hope for the best. At this point it does little good to compare what everyone has or does not have. I'm LAA but have no beef about what the LUS guys have. The beef I had was the Association, which we did not vote on. Just hope the NC can improve the pace of negotiations as frankly all of us are left hanging one way or the other.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

To be fair to the guy

now, that's a good new start.

Well unless I'm the boy living in the plastic bubble the guy makes the comment that "everyone" is complaining about the Merger and the Seniority integration decision?

nope, back to square one. i never said everyone.

i said that there are definitely hundreds of former sky chefs, building cleaners, cabin services, reno air, simmons/eagle, amr, fuelers, etc....among the 10,000+ aa legacy fscs. i know that mia is a jr. station and perhaps you have no idea what i'm talking about. everyone i know that has 2 seniority dates was interested in developments, but i don't believe anyone was confident of anything. some of the senior legacy aa posters here, know exactly what i'm talking about...though they may not be so sympathetic if they have 1 seniority date. that is fine, i've gotten that in my station.

to me, that doesn't change the feeling of being let down by the twu. the employees were paying union dues to a union for what appears to be a non-existent time period. your time didn't count, but your money sure did.

as far as the merger, i was for the merger 100%. i have posted that and why. there are a few legacy aa fscs who have actually posted/hinted here that they believe the merger has been better for legacy us air clerks than legacy aa clerks. is this issue worth fighting ww3? no, of course not, we have all benefited.

though, when you weigh and measure everything...they are correct. i don't begrudge anyone at us air nor ua/dl or southwest. i realize they more they make, the more we will make.

today, delta announced their q and told us that they will have apprx. $1 Billion in the dl profit sharing kitty...for those valentine's day checks. last year, delta set a corporate america record of $1.5 billion in the kitty for their employees.

sadly, a 1/3 less..but, dl had a whole year of a $3 raise which makes up the difference, plus another raise come april, i believe. a friend at dl got over $12,000 last year in 2 checks...he said he's counting on $7k-$8k this year.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

Lots of issues with any airline merger, and this one has workers who have been screwed over for years. It is next to impossible to see fairness for everyone, but you just hope for the best. At this point it does little good to compare what everyone has or does not have. I'm LAA but have no beef about what the LUS guys have. The beef I had was the Association, which we did not vote on. Just hope the NC can improve the pace of negotiations as frankly all of us are left hanging one way or the other.

yes...the narrative i got is that the twu feared any election with the iam and hastily agreed to the association. who knows? maybe we will be better off with some iam negotiators sitting in the captain's chair during these negotiations.

i've been impressed that some of them have taken the time to respond here. classy.

as far as the pace of the negotiations...we remember retro-pay going the way of pac-man machines. what corporation has any financial motivation to bargain in a timely manner? i blame aa for this, not the association.

 

[WeAAsles]

now, that's a good new start.



nope, back to square one. i never said everyone.

i said that there are definitely hundreds of former sky chefs, building cleaners, cabin services, reno air, simmons/eagle, amr, fuelers, etc....among the 10,000+ aa legacy fscs. i know that mia is a jr. station and perhaps you have no idea what i'm talking about. everyone i know that has 2 seniority dates was interested in developments, but i don't believe anyone was confident of anything. some of the senior legacy aa posters here, know exactly what i'm talking about...though they may not be so sympathetic if they have 1 seniority date. that is fine, i've gotten that in my station.

to me, that doesn't change the feeling of being let down by the twu. the employees were paying union dues to a union for what appears to be a non-existent time period. your time didn't count, but your money sure did.

as far as the merger, i was for the merger 100%. i have posted that and why. there are a few legacy aa fscs who have actually posted/hinted here that they believe the merger has been better for legacy us air clerks than legacy aa clerks. is this issue worth fighting ww3? no, of course not, we have all benefited.

though, when you weigh and measure everything...they are correct. i don't begrudge anyone at us air nor ua/dl or southwest. i realize they more they make, the more we will make.

today, delta announced their q and told us that they will have apprx. $1 Billion in the dl profit sharing kitty...for those valentine's day checks. last year, delta set a corporate america record of $1.5 billion in the kitty for their employees.

sadly, a 1/3 less..but, dl had a whole year of a $3 raise which makes up the difference, plus another raise come april, i believe. a friend at dl got over $12,000 last year in 2 checks...he said he's counting on $7k-$8k this year.

Crema I'm not putting down and never have put down the fact that you and others have/had two seniority dates. What I have been trying to say to you is that it was/is something that wasn't going to change and either you all can learn to live with that fact or you can "choose" not to and let it disturb you for as long as you want.

No I'm not in your shoes. I hired on at the mainline and listened to the advice of a friend who told me to protect my seniority and status for dear life and I did. My friend offered me the job in multiple years starting from 1988 to when I first jumped in in 1995 (Just before Jr Fleet) Should I be upset at anyone else for not taking the job 7 years earlier like I could have? Should I/ could I be upset at myself for not taking it? I'm not upset at myself at all. Oh sure it would have been nice to have another 7 years worth of Pension accumulations under my belt but I also feel if I had taken the job when I was much younger I might not appreciate that even with all the hardships the job was pretty damn good to me.

I really believe if I had taken the job at 23 instead of when I was 30 I would not have appreciated both it and what representation brought to me. I wouldn't have gone through the experiences that personally maybe I needed, to have the mindset I have today.

You said that you don't believe your TWU representation gave you anything those first two years? I challenge that thought of yours. # 1 it gave you a contract that if you had gotten into any trouble may have given you the representation to keep your job. # 2 that contract and TWU representation gave you the opportunity over any outsiders to make the leap over to the mainline to be able to be where you are today. Do you think without that representation AA had to accept you over into the fold?

Your entitled to your view on things and on this open forum you are entitled to state those views. But don't be disappointed if someone doesn't share your views and gives you counterpoints against those views.

I just don't share your views and neither did the Arbitrator who is the real person that you needed to convince. Not any of us on here. All you're doing on here is showing us that you have pretty good writing skills. But those skills on here aren't going to affect anything to change for you. They just aren't.

 

[WeAAsles]

And Crema we can both write long statements. But who is actually taking the time to read them or even wants to read them is the question.

 

[cltrat]

Cream you may or may not be aware is there is no shortage of agents in CLT with two seniority dates some in the 4 year range, in an industry were even a day makes a difference that's an eternity I.
I fail to see really what you're looking for here to make you happy.I'm beginning to wonder if you think we should have been stapled under all off you

 

[WeAAsles]

• Association Leadership to Expedite Outstanding Joint Contract Economic Issues
  
  
  
  
  
  Janaury 13, 2017
  
  Association Leadership to Expedite Outstanding Joint Contract Economic Issues
  
  Top level TWU/IAM Association leadership will be joining ongoing joint contract negotiations with American Airlines to expedite outstanding economic issues.
  
  “The time is now for Association members to achieve the fair contract they deserve,” said Association Chair and Vice Chair Sito Pantoja and Harry Lombardo, respectively. “Association Negotiating Committees have been bargaining hard for over a year now and the membership has already enjoyed some of the benefits of their hard work. We have more work to do and we are committed to directing all the Association’s resources, including our direct involvement, to bring these negotiations to conclusion.” The TWU-IAM Association began joint contract negotiations with American Airlines in November, 2015. In August of last year, Association Negotiating Committees reached agreement on an interim wage agreement, which provided wage hikes of approximately 25 percent.
  
  Negotiations will follow the previously announced January schedule. Specific dates for the leadership to enter the discussions have not yet been determined.
  
  
  Download:
  TWU-IAM Association Bulletin.pdf

 

[Albert]

• Association Leadership to Expedite Outstanding Joint Contract Economic Issues
  
  
  
  
  
  Janaury 13, 2017
  
  Association Leadership to Expedite Outstanding Joint Contract Economic Issues
  
  Top level TWU/IAM Association leadership will be joining ongoing joint contract negotiations with American Airlines to expedite outstanding economic issues.
  
  “The time is now for Association members to achieve the fair contract they deserve,” said Association Chair and Vice Chair Sito Pantoja and Harry Lombardo, respectively. “Association Negotiating Committees have been bargaining hard for over a year now and the membership has already enjoyed some of the benefits of their hard work. We have more work to do and we are committed to directing all the Association’s resources, including our direct involvement, to bring these negotiations to conclusion.” The TWU-IAM Association began joint contract negotiations with American Airlines in November, 2015. In August of last year, Association Negotiating Committees reached agreement on an interim wage agreement, which provided wage hikes of approximately 25 percent.
  
  Negotiations will follow the previously announced January schedule. Specific dates for the leadership to enter the discussions have not yet been determined.
  
  
  Download:
  TWU-IAM Association Bulletin.pdf

Does that mean the leadership can over ride what the negotiators are trying to do or have done?I'll take quality over speed we've already come this far

 

[28L_or_10R?]

Cream you may or may not be aware is there is no shortage of agents in CLT with two seniority dates some in the 4 year range, in an industry were even a day makes a difference that's an eternity I.
I fail to see really what you're looking for here to make you happy.I'm beginning to wonder if you think we should have been stapled under all off you

I think that's exactly what creme wants. Creme would have us under the TWA guys and gals they screwed. Probably wouldn't be happy, regardless.