JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[AANOTOK]

Easily said when you are a member of the majority. My point is we might lose more  than gain in future negotiations. Not money but scope and such. Now that WE got ours (money) why on Gods earth would we make any concession?
 

I see you and I view things differently and any response I give or belief I hold will be questioned. I will drop it and hope a JCBA is reached sooner rather than later that benefits us all.

 

[AANOTOK]

Town Hall Meeting 
Doug Parker will hold a town hall meeting today at DFW Terminal D 2:00-3:00
 
Will the Association be there to contradict what Parker say's, it's the union holding things up

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Isom is having a Dog and Pony show at LGA, maybe I should swing by.Although I hear the parking has gone to hell since I left.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Easily said when you are a member of the majority. My point is we might lose more  than gain in future negotiations. Not money but scope and such. Now that WE got ours (money) why on Gods earth would we make any concession?

What majority? The IAM is pulling the strings despite being the numerically smaller employee group in virtually every classification.
 
If Trumka hadn't opened up his word hole and bleated about labor fighting themselves over representation at the "New" American there wouldn't be this horseshit association divvying up stations and membership like spoils of war.
 
Think about it,the Ass actually came about to protect the IAMNPF.They had lost the income from NWA when Delta choked them off the dole,now faced with the prospect of losing the LUS contributions to the fund, drastic measures had to be taken to protect the gravy train.
 
The income from United wasn't going to pay the freight.

 

[Worldport]

What majority? The IAM is pulling the strings despite being the numerically smaller employee group in virtually every classification.
 
If Trumka hadn't opened up his word hole and bleated about labor fighting themselves over representation at the "New" American there wouldn't be this horseshit association divvying up stations and membership like spoils of war.
 
Think about it,the Ass actually came about to protect the IAMNPF.They had lost the income from NWA when Delta choked them off the dole,now faced with the prospect of losing the LUS contributions to the fund, drastic measures had to be taken to protect the gravy train.
 
The income from United wasn't going to pay the freight.

I agree that's the history in a nutshell. What improvements do you see us gaining in a joint contract I don't see many for LUS so of course I'm not in a hurry and if that's selfish so be it Don't even think about parking here they are about half way through ripping down the parking garage.

 

[T5towbar]

What majority? The IAM is pulling the strings despite being the numerically smaller employee group in virtually every classification.
 
If Trumka hadn't opened up his word hole and bleated about labor fighting themselves over representation at the "New" American there wouldn't be this horseshit association divvying up stations and membership like spoils of war.
 
Think about it,the Ass actually came about to protect the IAMNPF.They had lost the income from NWA when Delta choked them off the dole,now faced with the prospect of losing the LUS contributions to the fund, drastic measures had to be taken to protect the gravy train.
 
The income from United wasn't going to pay the freight.

BTW: Half to the UA workforce still isn't in the IAMNPF.  We are still in CARP. The Union is trying to move us into the plan, but CARP is still (for some reason) being funded. Maybe that will change in time, but I thought that we were going to be moved into the plan.
 
You are right that they (the IAM) do not want to lose that income......  Just my two cents.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I see you and I view things differently and any response I give or belief I hold will be questioned. I will drop it and hope a JCBA is reached sooner rather than later that benefits us all.

It is nice to see an example of maturity and class on this forum.
 
+1
 

Think about it,the Ass actually came about to protect the IAMNPF.

I think most people already know that.  I have been saying for months they need new blood to delay the inevitable crash of their Ponzi scheme pension plan.
 
If the TWU allows your pension to go from a single employer to a multi employer pension that will be another fine example of the TWU leading its membership to slaughter.
 
Don't let the Association con you. Be smart and protect yourself. Protect your future.
 
JFK you and I butt heads at times but in this we are in full agreement.

 

[Worldport]

I see you and I view things differently and any response I give or belief I hold will be questioned. I will drop it and hope a JCBA is reached sooner rather than later that benefits us all.

After seeing the DFW crew news I didn't realize how many people are hoping to return to outsourced cities so I'll change my stance and hope we get a joint contract sooner than later. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like its going to happen

 

[AANOTOK]

After seeing the DFW crew news I didn't realize how many people are hoping to return to outsourced cities so I'll change my stance and hope we get a joint contract sooner than later. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like its going to happen

From Doug's mouth, "it's gonna take a long time". As you also heard, they (AA) are under the impression that beginning Saturday we can mix and match crews since they gave us that raise. We only agreed to have full LUS crews work AA metal, and full LAA crews work US metal. The Associations stance is no JCBA, no crew mixing. That is a thorn right now in negotiations and I hope the ASS doesn't cave. Then AA management will have everything they need from us for the foreseeable future.

 

[Worldport]

From Doug's mouth, "it's gonna take a long time". As you also heard, they (AA) are under the impression that beginning Saturday we can mix and match crews since they gave us that raise. We only agreed to have full LUS crews work AA metal, and full LAA crews work US metal. The Associations stance is no JCBA, no crew mixing. That is a thorn right now in negotiations and I hope the ASS doesn't cave. Then AA management will have everything they need from us for the foreseeable future.

Is the interim agreement posted anywhere? Do I need a law degree to interpret it?

 

[AANOTOK]

New Update:
 
Worldport, it explains it a little bit...it ain't pretty!
 
http://www.usaamerger.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Association-Fleet-Bulletin-9-30-16.pdf

 

[Worldport]

New Update:
 
Worldport, it explains it a little bit...it ain't pretty!
 
http://www.usaamerger.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Association-Fleet-Bulletin-9-30-16.pdf

Thanks, no mention of mixing crews here at LGA so I guess the only difference we'll see is a longer RGG. LGA is unique in that we operate from separate terminals and will be doing so for years to come

 

[Jester]

From Doug's mouth, "it's gonna take a long time". As you also heard, they (AA) are under the impression that beginning Saturday we can mix and match crews since they gave us that raise. We only agreed to have full LUS crews work AA metal, and full LAA crews work US metal. The Associations stance is no JCBA, no crew mixing. That is a thorn right now in negotiations and I hope the ASS doesn't cave. Then AA management will have everything they need from us for the foreseeable future.

 
Sounds as if the Association had a reality check they got taken on the deal, as the issues of health insurance, vacation days, sick days, etc. because the Company de facto got a cost structure what they asked during the negotiations.  Company wanted a middle ground compromise between US and AA, and that's what they have in terms of costs, so why bother with good faith negotiations?  Now the Association is pushing a way to get out of the  deal, using any excuse possible, and I think in large part because the IAMPF needs to get some agreement with a new infusion of additional dollars and the TWU realizes the non-monetary compensation issues aren't to be agreed upon any time soon.
 
I think the mix and match of work crews would be a minor issue for the Company to resolve as just build a work schedule around the number of teams (crews) needed within a station's combined flight operations, instead of mixing the whole work force.  Anyone left over could be a local bag driver, thus any inefficiencies would be small.
 
But somehow the Association thinks the Forth Worth boys gave a $5+ raise "just because" and weren't expecting anything in return like cross utilizing ramp agents?  Naive at best, and dishonest at worse.

 

[Black Magic]

Who gives a flip on which LUS or AA agents can work which metal?! It's not rocket science, just go out there and get the work done.  Looks like the ASS just got hoodwinked out of something they wanted in negotiations.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Thanks, no mention of mixing crews here at LGA so I guess the only difference we'll see is a longer RGG. LGA is unique in that we operate from separate terminals and will be doing so for years to come

I wouldn't be so quick to say that WP, in Vegas we moved plenty of times. The Port Authority would have no problem moving ether airline, provided the right amount of money crossed the palms of the right people. You might end up in the draftiest encoders box and might not live to regret-it. For now, think about retiring on the sun bathed beaches of RSW sipping gin and tonics till your depends springs a leak.