JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[NYer]

Fair ground would be asking for more and getting status quo  on cargo and catering, Scope split the difference 8 flights or so this isn't section six

 
Interesting. For AA the 8 flights is better than what we have, for the IAM it is a big change.
 
Would they consider it a concession? According to WeAAsle, 8 flights is a step backwards and unacceptable.

 

[WeAAsles]

Glad to hear another opinion from MIA

He has stated this opinion multiple times on here and on Facebook. The truth is though that he had and has no concern about how other people in the TWU felt about that letter by Tim Klima basically telling our Local Presidents they should tell our TWU International President to take a flying leap. He also has never conceded that that was a bad call and bad class on the IAM's part to do that.

He does not support the TWU leadership in any way shape or form because they took away his promised position as TWU information man after the old Leaders lost their election. And since he regained his position he has done nothing to support ANY initiatives that those new "elected" leaders have attempted both for Union Solidarity or any Political initiatives.

Basically he's become our TWU Tim except that he actually won a position and sits there at this moment.

 

[Worldport]

 
Interesting. For AA the 8 flights is better than what we have, for the IAM it is a big change.
 
Would they consider it a concession? According to WeAAsle, 8 flights is a step backwards and unacceptable.

Before the last contract it was 7 or 8 but if the Weez is worried maybe we could get the existing cities grandfathered

 

[Worldport]

He has stated this opinion multiple times on here and on Facebook. The truth is though that he had and has no concern about how other people in the TWU felt about that letter by Tim Klima basically telling our Local Presidents they should tell our TWU International President to take a flying leap. He also has never conceded that that was a bad call and bad class on the IAM's part to do that.

He does not support the TWU leadership in any way shape or form because they took away his promised position as TWU information man after the old Leaders lost their election. And since he regained his position he has done nothing to support ANY initiatives that those new "elected" leaders have attempted both for Union Solidarity or any Political initiatives.

Basically he's become our TWU Tim except that he actually won a position and sits there at this moment.

Don't know him Weez but if he got elected..... You know I.m not a union man if NYer is brave enough to go against the establishment more power to him. Guess he ain't no puppet

 

[WeAAsles]

Interesting. For AA the 8 flights is better than what we have, for the IAM it is a big change.
 
Would they consider it a concession? According to WeAAsle, 8 flights is a step backwards and unacceptable.

Now you sound like Tim too. "According to WeAAsles"

If it went to 8 "for us" that would not be a concession. But if it went to 8 for the IAM that would be. And in that case again Parkers comment becomes totally disingenuous.

What "I" will accept I'll know when I have a full agreement to vote for.

 

[WeAAsles]

Before the last contract it was 7 or 8 but if the Weez is worried maybe we could get the existing cities grandfathered

I'd love that idea. Now you basically asked me a question I can answer. I've said before that I think we should have as many opportunities to work in as many cities as we can possibly secure.

Even if securing them comes with a little creativity.

 

[NYer]

He has stated this opinion multiple times on here and on Facebook. The truth is though that he had and has no concern about how other people in the TWU felt about that letter by Tim Klima basically telling our Local Presidents they should tell our TWU International President to take a flying leap. He also has never conceded that that was a bad call and bad class on the IAM's part to do that.

He does not support the TWU leadership in any way shape or form because they took away his promised position as TWU information man after the old Leaders lost their election. And since he regained his position he has done nothing to support ANY initiatives that those new "elected" leaders have attempted both for Union Solidarity or any Political initiatives.

Basically he's become our TWU Tim except that he actually won a position and sits there at this moment.

 
See you can't even have a debate without getting personal. Tim Nelson was around when we had the debates on the TWU's decision to not attend the reconciliation meetings in November 2014.
 
You were in complete agreement to have that process sidetracked in order to address other issues with the Association agreement, Disagreements, by the way, that to this day have not been addressed.
 
I also shared my opinion, at that time, for the TWU to pursue their differences in the manner prescribed in the Association agreement and that is to arbitrate the issues. At the same time, they should have attended the reconciliation of the CBA's an act that would have us in a better position today.
 
You can continue to defend that mistake, but every day that passes the Members feel more and more frustrated.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Holding a hard line during record profits is fine as long as your membership is willing to drag things out for years and the economy doesn't go south prior to a tentative. But foregoing significant increases in a contract to draw the line in the sand on the lesser items is counter productive. I read somewhere where they spent another week of negotiations talking about temporary workers once again. Does American have temporary workers? And if so, I would guess your present contract regulates them.

At what point does the union blink? It seems like parker wants to keep the temporary worker language. So, does the union just keep on standing its ground on this issue at the expense of moving on to the bigger issues? That would be a standstill if parker really doesn't want to budge on some issues.

These talks have become a complete disaster and are going backwards. Hopefully, Parker can appreciate that Sito just wants to get re-elected. The TWU leadership is a pushover and getting played like a fiddle by the IAM politics. I may have to intensify my communications against the TWU leadership and notify their members that the Lombardo is wearing a dress.

 

[NYer]

I'd love that idea. Now you basically asked me a question I can answer. I've said before that I think we should have as many opportunities to work in as many cities as we can possibly secure.

Even if securing them comes with a little creativity.

 
Sounds like concessions.

 

[Worldport]

I'd love that idea. Now you basically asked me a question I can answer. I've said before that I think we should have as many opportunities to work in as many cities as we can possibly secure.

Even if securing them comes with a little creativity.

The only thing Weez it would take more than 56 a week to get a station reopened. It's an improvement on your contract ,not mine but to get the ball rolling. I got news for you with the announce shuttle flights moving to Eagle in the fall without the merger LGA would be getting pretty close to that threshold. Thank God for the merger

 

[WeAAsles]

Don't know him Weez but if he got elected..... You know I.m not a union man if NYer is brave enough to go against the establishment more power to him. Guess he ain't no puppet

Absolutely not a puppet. At least not to people who didn't promise him anything.

One of his favorite quotes I've heard is "What's in it for me"

Unconfirmed of course?

 

[NYer]

Now you sound like Tim too. "According to WeAAsles"

If it went to 8 "for us" that would not be a concession. But if it went to 8 for the IAM that would be. And in that case again Parkers comment becomes totally disingenuous.

What "I" will accept I'll know when I have a full agreement to vote for.

 
If it went to 8 we'd have to close one maybe two of the remaining stations. Sounds like a concession.

 

[Tim Nelson]

See you can't even have a debate without getting personal. Tim Nelson was around when we had the debates on the TWU's decision to not attend the reconciliation meetings in November 2014.
 
You were in complete agreement to have that process sidetracked in order to address other issues with the Association agreement, Disagreements, by the way, that to this day have not been addressed.
 
I also shared my opinion, at that time, for the TWU to pursue their differences in the manner prescribed in the Association agreement and that is to arbitrate the issues. At the same time, they should have attended the reconciliation of the CBA's an act that would have us in a better position today.
 
You can continue to defend that mistake, but every day that passes the Members feel more and more frustrated.

He defends it by saying we are now guaranteed $30.77 instead of $28.50, due to the WN and UA contract raises. Unfortunately, I'm still making $24.39 and looking at another whopping 2% raise next month. Thanks to the weasel. Don't get me wrong, if they brought back $30.77 at DOS and got enhancements in every article without concessions then I'll vote for weasel to be the next Grand Poopa.

 

[WeAAsles]

See you can't even have a debate without getting personal. Tim Nelson was around when we had the debates on the TWU's decision to not attend the reconciliation meetings in November 2014.
 
You were in complete agreement to have that process sidetracked in order to address other issues with the Association agreement, Disagreements, by the way, that to this day have not been addressed.
 
I also shared my opinion, at that time, for the TWU to pursue their differences in the manner prescribed in the Association agreement and that is to arbitrate the issues. At the same time, they should have attended the reconciliation of the CBA's an act that would have us in a better position today.
 
You can continue to defend that mistake, but every day that passes the Members feel more and more frustrated.

If you can recall since it might be important to you. I also supported that after a little time passed they should have smoothed some things over and started getting together.

But that also would have confirmed at least to most members that the fix was in. The Association was a setup to begin with and the idea of a vote nothing more than a big farce.

Did you know that the idea of the vote was just a farce from the beginning? Cmon man. Fess up.

 

[Tim Nelson]

After the famous dispute between the TWU and IAM that caused an extensive delay, SOMEONE in this conversation said, "$30.77. The Association knows what it is doing and we are just waiting out other contracts. The money is there and due to the delay, we will now make $7,000 more a year"