JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[Worldport]

LOL, Bob is OK. He believes what is say's and even if he is 100% percent wrong (not saying he is) a conviction and honesty is all I seek!
Unlike Parker, I believe I could shake Bob's hand and that would be as good as a contract.

I'm sure you'll introduce yourself on the employee bus

 

[WeAAsles]

WP, this is my honest opinion, I could be 100% wrong, but here you go.
I think Parker has been told by Kirby, Isom, the BOA or even Glass that he cannot give $30 plus without getting something back.
There is no way in hell Parker will give us the best of both contracts and $30, just ain't happening.
Mr. Parker may tweak it a bit to see if he can satisfy both the TWU and IAM, aka Association, but not sure he will have any luck.
While Parker deserves much of the blame by not being truthful early on, the Association is a huge problem now. While I can appreciate
both unions trying to look out for their members, unfortunately and eventually, someone will be hurt, based on what they have contractually right now. Doug will try and find that medium, but it's gonna be tough. Obviously, if we did not have the Association, we would have a $30 plus job today...but yes, there would have been someone hurt (contractually) then too. So bottom line, the pain someone will suffer eventually could have eased by now, especially with the raise if we didn't have two competing unions. Again as stated earlier, this Association was no benefit when formed, is no benefit now, and will be no benefit in the future.

And I "think" the industry wage rates wouldn't be as high as they are right now if we had locked in a year ago? I "think" we would all be in the $26 range and we would have never known that it could have been higher.

That UAL rate made management nervous and they haven't repeated that 3% schtick since. Ramp work has gotten more costly IMO directly because of the Association and that wasted time.

 

[AANOTOK]

See WP, therein lies the issue. You may be ok with the sacrifices for $30 plus, but you don't have a voice right now. The Association is speaking for you. Let's flip it around, If Tim's claim were to be true that the IAM part of the Ass was wanting two dollars less to get scope at eight flights a day? That's a concession of seven flights and a concession of $2.00 from what Parker offered. Would that be OK so we could move on?

 

[AANOTOK]

And I "think" the industry wage rates wouldn't be as high as they are right now if we had locked in a year ago? I "think" we would all be in the $26 range and we would have never known that it could have been higher.

That UAL rate made management nervous and they haven't repeated that 3% schtick since. Ramp work has gotten more costly IMO directly because of the Association and that wasted time.

We don't know, but just like the F/A's, I "think" we would have gotten an early jump on a raise. Parker gave it to them, and we would have been under the same umbrella. You have used that argument before and I "think" it has a leak.

 

[AANOTOK]

And I "think" the industry wage rates wouldn't be as high as they are right now if we had locked in a year ago? I "think" we would all be in the $26 range and we would have never known that it could have been higher.

That UAL rate made management nervous and they haven't repeated that 3% schtick since. Ramp work has gotten more costly IMO directly because of the Association and that wasted time.

You didn't just give the Association credit did you, please say no...it was not because of the Association, it was despite of the Association. Do you remember the times your beloved Giants "backed" into the playoffs, this is no different.

 

[WeAAsles]

See WP, therein lies the issue. You may be ok with the sacrifices for $30 plus, but you don't have a voice right now. The Association is speaking for you. Let's flip it around, If Tim's claim were to be true that the IAM part of the Ass was wanting two dollars less to get scope at eight flights a day? That's a concession of seven flights and a concession of $2.00 from what Parker offered. Would that be OK so we could move on?

Nothing has been discussed on SCOPE or pay so why would even little old nobody us want to telegraph to the company what we might or might not be willing to accept?

You don't play poker with your hand turned towards the guy you're playing against.

And here's a piece of good news BTW.

https://www.thestreet.com/story/13650681/1/american-airlines-aal-stock-falls-cowen-raises-price-target.html

 

[AANOTOK]

I'm sure you'll introduce yourself on the employee bus

Don't ride the bus, carpool and park up stairs. Why I'm seeking $30 plus.  

 

[WeAAsles]

We don't know, but just like the F/A's, I "think" we would have gotten an early jump on a raise. Parker gave it to them, and we would have been under the same umbrella. You have used that argument before and I "think" it has a leak.

The only raises they got were AFTER they signed an agreement, and because the IAM was up Deltas arse fierce.

They gave it to the FAS to pay for smiles in the aisles.

 

[AANOTOK]

Nothing has been discussed on SCOPE or pay so why would even little old nobody us want to telegraph to the company what we might or might not be willing to accept?

You don't play poker with your hand turned towards the guy you're playing against.

And here's a piece of good news BTW.

https://www.thestreet.com/story/13650681/1/american-airlines-aal-stock-falls-cowen-raises-price-target.html

We play "Texas Hold'em" a little differently!  

 

[Tim Nelson]

It's actually amusing, so are the 15 flights he maintains is the scope

People can believe what they want, thats fine. But the 2 headed horse isnt as firm together on the topics as peeps think. Parker was being about as coy as he could.

Whatever the case or who believes who, i still think a ta is coming soon as the members will go bonkers if the association screws up our profit sharing.

 

[Worldport]

See WP, therein lies the issue. You may be ok with the sacrifices for $30 plus, but you don't have a voice right now. The Association is speaking for you. Let's flip it around, If Tim's claim were to be true that the IAM part of the Ass was wanting two dollars less to get scope at eight flights a day? That's a concession of seven flights and a concession of $2.00 from what Parker offered. Would that be OK so we could move on?

Okay that wouldn't be okay, really should have to give up major things in this positive climate. But what if Parker is correct they don't want concessions. the hold up may be the TWU doesn't like the way the IAM handles grievances, this seems to me the more likely scenario looking at the ASS past history

 

[AANOTOK]

You know W, as positive is that article is today, we could have Motley Fool or some other publication come out tomorrow saying sell cause price target drops. For the "most" part, those articles are nothing more than manipulators. But I will enjoy it for a day.

 

[Tim Nelson]

We play "Texas Hold'em" a little differently!  

The two unions are not prepared. Period.
They need to clean up their act and move forward. Enuf chatter on temp employees.

 

[Worldport]

Don't ride the bus, carpool and park up stairs. Why I'm seeking $30 plus.  

Do you have room for one more in that carpool?

 

[AANOTOK]

Okay that wouldn't be okay, really should have to give up major things in this positive climate. But what if Parker is correct they don't want concessions. the hold up may be the TWU doesn't like the way the IAM handles grievances, this seems to me the more likely scenario looking at the ASS past history

WP, I think there is blame on both sides. Parker is the CEO, the guy...if he wants it done, it can get done. Screw everyone else. Well, I guess the Board can axe his ass. But hey, $34 million earnings over the last couple of years would probably hold him ever until opportunity reappears!