JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[CremaDiLimone]

When we lost deicing many years it did not really affect the mechanics’ ranks. Reason being is that it is not a job function that is accomplished 365 days a year. All that would be lost is nice ot.

i look at it this way: if i was a president of a union, i would never look to lose jobs...always on the look-out to get more work.

more work = more jobs. more jobs = more variety of work, more opportunities for better days off, more opportunities for better hours...better quality of work life. from the local & intl. financial perspective, more dues collected.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

GivIng up any work in this day/age should be seen as an abject failure on your NC’s part. Doing away with deicing in a place like ORD? Even worse.



Don’t underestimate the power and “reach”!of social media. In this day and age, he who gets people’s screen time wins.

Not just millennials, either. Take a look around your gate; how many people have a phone in their pocket?

well, like i said, the local president was angry about it. if you were on the NC and the company proposed this, i wouldn't consider you a failure. it's the company's proposal, hopefully they will back down after the NC attempts to show the company the error of it's way.

as far as the social media: in the old days, if someone told you something dubious, you could challenge him, right away. face to face.

today, it's hard to have a dialogue with a post on facebook. it's there for all to read, but not instantaneously question. to me, that's a huge difference

i'm not on facebook and i have no clue what was posted and what made him get upset. there is also a CS facebook page for my station and i heard the negative comments are also there. you could always find a friendly 3rd party to post things, the deniability is always there.

 

[john john]

You are a CSA. The company spends hundreds of millions of dollars on aircraft maintenance.
.

You are a mechanic (I think?) the company is very coercer about how passenger are handle at the first point of contact

Cross utilization of the 14,500 passenger service employees at US Airways and American Airlines and vendors to allow the Passengers be handled by the first representative of the company that the passenger comes in contact with-i.e., there shall be no distinctions made between the legacy carriers in terms of servicing the Company's passengers. Creating seamless travel for our passengers.

This is leverage

 

[Jester]

I’ve never seen a member of a Negotiating Committee endorse a TA then right before the vote go out and campaign against it.

Actually, that's not too uncommon in other industries.

"Leaders in the union have already recommended employees reject the contract. While many had not seen the details of the contract, in a letter to employees, the main issues the union was facing were benefits and wages."

So the negotiators offered a TA, then the union recommended a rejecting the agreement? Are you differentiating between the union leadership and the union negotiators, as they possibly would not be in agreement? That's pretty messed-up with the union leadership in conflict with the union negotiators.

http://fox2now.com/2016/09/27/schnucks-employees-vote-to-reject-new-contract/

 

[737823]

They (jerry and gang) could try to take a page out of the CWA/IBT negotiators dangerous strategy

You can stay but your replacements will happen without scope and all new hires, transfers and work can be outsourced

John John will fleet get a classification like CARs which for LAA was a concession? LAA never had CARs and now it seems all the new hires at BOS are CAR classification.

Josh

 

[john john]

John John will fleet get a classification like CARs which for LAA was a concession? LAA never had CARs and now it seems all the new hires at BOS are CAR classification.

Josh

The work that CAR do now was outsourced at LAA. The contract in-sourced that work. At LUS some of the work CAR does now was in Passenger Service Agents scope and LUS took a concession to bring the outsource LAA work back in

 

[john john]

Actually, that's not too uncommon in other industries.

"Leaders in the union have already recommended employees reject the contract. While many had not seen the details of the contract, in a letter to employees, the main issues the union was facing were benefits and wages."

So the negotiators offered a TA, then the union recommended a rejecting the agreement? Are you differentiating between the union leadership and the union negotiators, as they possibly would not be in agreement? That's pretty messed-up with the union leadership in conflict with the union negotiators.

http://fox2now.com/2016/09/27/schnucks-employees-vote-to-reject-new-contract/

In CWA/IBT case the CWA/IBT people in the room doing direct negotiating and bargaining with the company executive are not voting members. They were appointed. They are the ones that signed all articles .Two of the four have since resigned/quit/left/slept down. One member was ousted after the first TA was never brought to the membership because of their lack of support

 

[Tom Talbert 1888]

Why would a CSA who isn’t in the Association be able to answer that?

 

[john john]

Having say that the TA that was brought to the membership to vote on was voted on by the negotiating committee

The rank-and-file committee members voted on each article and six out of seven members voted to recommend ratification of the TA.

http://www.american-agents.org/frequently-asked-questions-about-ta

 

[pjirish317]

now that was funny. Carry on!

In the meantime, we will finally have the opportunity to build a better union. A wonderful slide show is available for the audience.
www.buildabetterunion.com

Tim,

Why isn't there a list of candidates on that website? All I see are your talking points to get your crazy disciples or "peeps" as you like to call them, all fired up. I really would like to see who you hoodwinked into running with you. So why the secrecy? Afraid your LUS candidates will get figured out like they did last election? Please tell me how I can get a copy of your slate for the district and international. Actually, can you just send me the names of the LUS folks running with you as I don't know any UA people and would be unable to determine their qualifications. Good luck getting the nom outta 2444.

 

[john john]

Why would a CSA who isn’t in the Association be able to answer that?

?

 

[WeAAsles]

John John will fleet get a classification like CARs which for LAA was a concession? LAA never had CARs and now it seems all the new hires at BOS are CAR classification.

Josh

You must be confused. CARS was not a concession for LAA. Those were jobs that were brought back in and made available that used to be done by subcontractors known as “Red Coats”

Now no it did not create new opportunities for work for Computer skilled agents but it did provide a road to a better paying job for anyone that comes in to the position and displacement options if layoffs came for individuals to remain in their Stations if they chose.

Yes though it technically is like an A and B Scale.

 

[NYer]

... you could always find a friendly 3rd party to post things, the deniability is always there.

Happens on these pages as well.

 

[737823]

John John will fleet get a classification like CARs which for LAA was a concession? LAA never had CARs and now it seems all the new hires at BOS are CAR classification.

Josh

John John is a CWA (east) LUS agent in the CWA-IBT passenger service association.

And again unorganized LAA didn’t have CARS. Unorganized LAA answered all reservations calls dialed from the US stateside at either the SRO (DFW), SERO (RDU), or with HBR in DFW, TUS or RDU areas.

USAIR has calls outsourced overseas under CWA.

Josh

 

[737823]

You must be confused. CARS was not a concession for LAA. Those were jobs that were brought back in and made available that used to be done by subcontractors known as “Red Coats”

Now no it did not create new opportunities for work for Computer skilled agents but it did provide a road to a better paying job for anyone that comes in to the position and displacement options if layoffs came for individuals to remain in their Stations if they chose.

Yes though it technically is like an A and B Scale.

CARS don’t perform all the same functions as red coats Weez although there is overlap. But you knew that already.

Josh