JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet. **New and improved 2.0 version**

[NYer]

Then why don't you negotiate a "CONTRIBUTION" that at least equals what our own Flight Attendants got (9.9%)?

The APFA has a sliding scale for their 401K.

F/A who were under 40 as of 2012 received the 5.5%.

F/A who were between 41 and 49 as of 2012 receive 6.75%

F/A who were 50 or older as of 2012 receive the 9.9%

Every new F/A, despite age, receive the 5.5%.

And the that scale sunsets in Dec 2018, while their CBA becomes amenable in Dec 2019.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The APFA has a sliding scale for their 401K.

F/A who were under 40 as of 2012 received the 5.5%.

F/A who were between 41 and 49 as of 2012 receive 6.75%

F/A who were 50 or older as of 2012 receive the 9.9%

Every new F/A, despite age, receive the 5.5%.

And the that scale sunsets in Dec 2018, while their CBA becomes amenable in Dec 2019.

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That sucks

 

[Traymark]

The APFA has a sliding scale for their 401K.

I get all that.

3 things:
1) It's still better language than what was proposed here
2) The company is in a much better financial position now than when that was given
3) No sliding scale for the pilots ~ 16% contribution

 

[bob@las-AA]

I just did the math for one week. For 2 weeks juxt x 2 and you get $8700.

Yes i got an $8,000 check. It obviously was the exception. Normally $5,000 over 2 weeks. Not too difficult to do. Sometimes I bag multiple 19 hour days as well.

Timmy, my final attempt will be this, and I then will drop the mike,

The only way you could get that kind of check is as follows,

work your regular shift 40hours, pickup 1 CS for each of your days off, and work a 8hour OT shift 7 days in that same week.

(30.81*8*7) + (30.81*1.5*8*7) = 4313.40 per/week before tax

I still find it odd that even if you were telling the truth, which you clearly are not by the way, that the odds of even getting awarded 8 OT hours consistently every day for a entire 2 weeks let alone just for 1 week solid is truly amazing.

 

[Traymark]

And the that scale sunsets in Dec 2018, while their CBA becomes amenable in Dec 2019.

Make you a little side bet :
When they renegotiate, they'll get a better contribution than we do.
For that matter, they might get it before we do...

 

[WeAAsles]

I was referring to how many would be covered in our workgroup by that language.
Point remains, contribution needs to be much higher than 5%.

Maybe? But how many people do you think are going to bug out of this War zone if the Company (They already advertised their intent) gives guys one years pay to leave? That’s over $100,000.

Look I told you guys a long long time ago on your threads and most kept their Boogy Man under the bed fear (Bunch of Chickechits) that we were NOT going to be forced into the IAMPF. And that at BEST we would have a choice if we wanted to join in or not.

It’s amazing how many people beach, moan and complain that they want a choice but they’re sooooooo full of BS chit it’s flowing out their ears. They ONLY want the choices THEY want. (Damn phonies)

Anyway again if I can have it I want a choice. I want a choice cause at least so far I think I’m very good at making Retirement decisions for myself and even on this with risk (Like ALL investments) it’s another choice over no choice at all.

 

[WeAAsles]

Make you a little side bet :
When they renegotiate, they'll get a better contribution than we do.
For that matter, they might get it before we do...

If we were now publicly offered a flat 9% then of course the FA’s will be offered the same at least.

Anyway is it woe is you that you make about $35,000 per year more than the average TOS FA too?

Do you want to trade jobs with a Flight Attendant?

 

[Traymark]

Do you want to trade jobs with a Flight Attendant?

Nope.
What I want is the same level of respect they've given the FA's and
Pilots both in and outside of negotiations.

 

[WeAAsles]

Nope.
What I want is the same level of respect they've given the FA's and
Pilots both in and outside of negotiations.

Funny how if you asked them they also think the Company hates them. They’ve gotten cash yea but they’re also always fighting about other things they haven’t gotten.

I will say again when we finally do get a JCTA and if we pass it, I’m not going to care what anyone else in the Company or the Industry gets for their deals. Only little bitches cry and moan AFTER they agree to a deal. IMO.

Edit: $$$$$$ I meant.

 

[NYer]

I get all that.

3 things:
1) It's still better language than what was proposed here
2) The company is in a much better financial position now than when that was given
3) No sliding scale for the pilots ~ 16% contribution

Well. Haven't seen the detailed language, but if they include the 9% to all Members then that is a higher value than a sliding scale that sunsets this year.

If you average the sliding scale and the recipients of each percentage it comes to much less than 9.9%.

The pilots do get 16% and that's quite a hill to climb.

 

[bob@las-AA]

Maybe? But how many people do you think are going to bug out of this War zone if the Company (They already advertised their intent) gives guys one years pay to leave? That’s over $100,000.

Look I told you guys a long long time ago on your threads and most kept their Boogy Man under the bed fear (Bunch of Chickechits) that we were NOT going to be forced into the IAMPF. And that at BEST we would have a choice if we wanted to join in or not.

It’s amazing how many people beach, moan and complain that they want a choice but they’re sooooooo full of BS chit it’s flowing out their ears. They ONLY want the choices THEY want. (Damn phonies)

Anyway again if I can have it I want a choice. I want a choice cause at least so far I think I’m very good at making Retirement decisions for myself and even on this with risk (Like ALL investments) it’s another choice over no choice at all.

Weez, I still don't understand this miss guided reverence you have to having a choice in this IAM pension thing. Lets say I go to McDonald's to order a Shamrock shake, but my beloved Shamrock shake is only offered in a small size, but I start scratching my head and and thought to my self, humm, why cant they use some other cup, even though it is not intended for the for that product. But I'm still happy that my beloved Shamrock shake was promptly dispatched promptly and with a smile.

 

[WeAAsles]

Weez, I still don't understand this miss guided reverence you have to having a choice in this IAM pension thing. Lets say I go to McDonald's to order a Shamrock shake, but my beloved Shamrock shake is only offered in a small size, but I start scratching my head and and thought to my self, humm, why cant they use some other cup, even though it is not intended for the for that product. But I'm still happy that my beloved Shamrock shake was promptly dispatched promptly and with a smile.

Bob again I’ve never said that even if I’m offered the choice to go into the IAMPF that I would make that leap. I can’t stress this enough that I believe in having as many retirement options available to me as possible. I want it to be just another and how I look at it “investment option”

What I don’t want is the IAM guys to just have it stripped away from them especially if it wound up to be on the cheap which is what I think the contribution and match offer is. Especially for those not yet at TOS.

I also don’t want economic morons who have publicly admitted that they’re going to have to work till they’re 70 and live in a very high COL area working 1840 hours per week thinking they (LMFAO) have the intelligence to tell any of us how to invest and (laughably) trying to drum up support for their point of view financially.

Bob we work (seriously) with guys who are absolute and complete financial Morons and you know it. And it’s hillarious when they try to give me their advice these dumb putzes.

 

[swamt]

Hog, Is that for the entire group? Or just certain group like fleet? Is he also including the mechanics in this update???

 

[WeAAsles]

Hog, Is that for the entire group? Or just certain group like fleet? Is he also including the mechanics in this update???

Hey I got some advice for ya. Try watching the video and figuring it out for yourself.

Then since he’s TWU you can call him a liar and tell us more about what’s going on over at Your Airline that we never actually ask you about here.

 

[swamt]

The company went around the negotiators to appeal to the juniormost members of the workforce with the lure of easy money.These idiots have been here only for the recent hiring boom and relatively fast upgrades to FT.They weren't here for the endless quarterly RIF cycle from '03 to '13,they didn't go through sh!t,but to hear them talk, they deserve top pay because "They paid their dues" already.

This proposal is a slap in the face.I'm offended they're trying to negotiate directly with the workforce and not the representatives of the workforce who have been engaged in negotiations for the last two years.

I would urge all my coworkers to ensure *all* company policies are observed while working.Ensure your safety, that of your coworkers and our passengers.

Our company tried the very same thing with us. They tried very hard to "go around" the NC and nego with the membership on the floor because our NC was doing what they were suppose to do. Our membership did not allow it to happen and it all worked out for the better. Don't let the membership fall for it, it will not end up good. I like the video update from GP, and he's right they must hold them to an ILC just as Parker and the asso. promised. Nothing equalling industry leading should even pass the NC period. Our NC is doing the same, nothing will get passed them until they meet the membership's wishes. Good luck JFK, but it appears that you guys are a good ways from the ILC or a T/A or AIP.