JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[bigjets]

 
Why do people like you think American wasn't going to toss that contract out in bankruptcy? Management 101, get labor to sign a big work rule cutting contract right before bankruptcy with a big raise.....then go bankrupt....toss the big rase and cut work rules even deeper. You guys have the best scope in the industry and the only reason why is the majority of your peers were smart enough to watch what every other carrier had done and wasn't dumb enough to fall for the same trick. Very clear you play checkers bigjets and management plays chess. 
 
but what do I know, I only have a MBA in management....... 
 
and you are damn right I work to protect the craft and class. If the I got mine people like you would get the hell out of the way it would make it so much easier for people who do care about the majority of the industry to do better. 
but people like you work with management everyday to beat down the craft and class. 
 
you really need to get over the Tulsa vs line thing. Management is playing you like a fool every single time you cry over it. 
 
divide the work group, let them in-fight then go after a contract. That way the workers cut their own throats and the company just sits back and counts the money. Management 101. 

 
 
Why i think management wouldn't throw out contract, because management didn't throw out the MCT contract, and management came after pension and retiree pension, when they could have come after more, like taking our pay down to USair pay levels.
 
 
As far as TULE is concerned, management did the management 101 deal, where they created contracts that would appease the most amount of voters, that being TULE which just happens to be in a cheap place to live, and where weekends and holidays off are the most important thing for them, as they are good family men, where family is more important then industry leading pay and working a 24/7 operation. They gave all that up for NOTHING in return.
 
I seriously doubt you have an MBA in anything especially business. If that were the case, then you would know that expecting to get industry leading pay, no outsourcing, retiree medical, pension, from contract negotiations two years into the worst economic downturn since the great depression, while AA's competitors got those concessions from their employees. If you got an MBA in business, I can see why you are an aircraft mechanic.

 

[1AA]

The 2008 deal was for a 2 year extension that gave us a pay raise, holidays and sick time. Our leaders said NO. We got nothing!!! But we did wait 2 more years for a 2010 contract, that was voted down, we did have layoffs anyway and we got nothing for it, and now it's 8 YEARS later !!!!!!
 
You guys really taught the company a lesson. You have successfully gave the company a concessionary contract for 13 YEARS with layoffs and outsourcing and you got nothing for it !!!!!!!
 
Now go look in the mirror and tell yourself how you're protecting the class and craft.

Your question should be how are the Industrial unions protecting our class and craft better known as our profession.

 

[bigjets]

Your question should be how are the Industrial unions protecting our class and craft better known as our profession.

You're exactly right. That's why I'm no union or AMFA!

Between what the TWU and the teamsters have done to us. This is literally the best chance the association has to get us industry leading contract. There is no excuse this time. With AA making Billions, and us giving for 13 years. Since TUL no longer is exempted from the airline lifestyle now, maybe they will finally give AMFA a chance. But after it being outmaneuvered by AA, TWU and IBT I hear a lot of guys are saying they're done with AMFA.

I say no union. At least we won't have to pay for this kind of operation.

 

[chilokie1]

You never stop with your trashing of Tulsa and your fricken airline lifestyle crap that you think you live and
that we know nothing about. Do you think everybody in Tulsa is unaware of line work?  I'am guessing that
75% of the AMT's in Tulsa are from places like Chicago, Pittsburg, Denver, New York, Cleveland, Cincinnati,
Minneapolis (I chose those cities because I know multiple AMT's from each of those cities and the list is much
longer). What you do not understand about the AMT's in Tule is that a higher % of AMT's have signed AMFA 
cards then have not. What you continue to not understand is that in Tule you have to include the machinists, a
very large building maintenance group & the OSM's (who are the majority of folks working the straight days Mon-Fri
who you continue to cry about) and those groups have never been willing to sign cards as a group. 
 I absolutely understand why you would think Tulsa AMT's are the ones keeping our class & craft from getting
the contract we all feel we deserve, I'am sure there are a higher percentage of AMT's in Tulsa who are content
with the TWU and the representation they get from them then any other station, but not enough to drag us down
like you claim. You guys never understand that it is the machinists, electricians, plumbers, welders, millwrights, OSM's
& the kool-ade drinkers who refuse to demand change and I do not see that changing any time soon.

 

[chilokie1]

You're exactly right. That's why I'm no union or AMFA!

Between what the TWU and the teamsters have done to us. This is literally the best chance the association has to get us industry leading contract. There is no excuse this time. With AA making Billions, and us giving for 13 years. Since TUL no longer is exempted from the airline lifestyle now, maybe they will finally give AMFA a chance. But after it being outmaneuvered by AA, TWU and IBT I hear a lot of guys are saying they're done with AMFA.

I say no union. At least we won't have to pay for this kind of operatiion
 
 
 
 
 

My prior post is directed to Big Jets above post

 

[Buck]

And the rumors flow: That IAM is causing trouble in negotiations? Seniority Integration in particular at places like PHX because it is an LUS  station, the LAA mechanics are are being told to bid out, or "Resign" and come back as LUS mechanics at the bottom of their seniority list?
 
that brings up the 12, LUS 757's coming to TULE in November from the MRO ?

 

[conehead777]

And the rumors flow: That IAM is causing trouble in negotiations? Seniority Integration in particular at places like PHX because it is an LUS  station, the LAA mechanics are are being told to bid out, or "Resign" and come back as LUS mechanics at the bottom of their seniority list?
 
that brings up the 12, LUS 757's coming to TULE in November from the MRO ?

Thats why we need observers to keep both unions and company from screwing us over again.

 

[bigjets]

You never stop with your trashing of Tulsa and your fricken airline lifestyle crap that you think you live and
that we know nothing about. Do you think everybody in Tulsa is unaware of line work?  I'am guessing that
75% of the AMT's in Tulsa are from places like Chicago, Pittsburg, Denver, New York, Cleveland, Cincinnati,
Minneapolis (I chose those cities because I know multiple AMT's from each of those cities and the list is much
longer). What you do not understand about the AMT's in Tule is that a higher % of AMT's have signed AMFA 
cards then have not. What you continue to not understand is that in Tule you have to include the machinists, a
very large building maintenance group & the OSM's (who are the majority of folks working the straight days Mon-Fri
who you continue to cry about) and those groups have never been willing to sign cards as a group. 
 I absolutely understand why you would think Tulsa AMT's are the ones keeping our class & craft from getting
the contract we all feel we deserve, I'am sure there are a higher percentage of AMT's in Tulsa who are content
with the TWU and the representation they get from them then any other station, but not enough to drag us down
like you claim. You guys never understand that it is the machinists, electricians, plumbers, welders, millwrights, OSM's
& the kool-ade drinkers who refuse to demand change and I do not see that changing any time soon.

Don't be so sensitive, if I worked there in TUL I'm sure I would vote the same way, fortunately I've been to Oklahoma and really didn't think the low cost of living was worth moving there for. Living in Wisconsin and driving to ORD is worth it. I didn't slam TUL mechs. I said the company got the contracts passed because they appeased TUL where the majority of votes are. You said it yourself that AMFA isn't getting the cards signed there for a variety of reasons.

I didn't know AMTs work 24/7 operation, and OSMs are days with weekends off. That's interesting, I was always surprised with TUL and AFW for letting contracts pass with OSM / SRP mechs in it. That certainly isn't protecting our profession

Is LUS 757 going to TUL if so that's great news for TUL not so good for pit or CLT.

AA did a layoff in phx those guys were told they could go to LUS PHX as new hire and get seniority back when the merge is completed, but not trusting that, they took the layoff and moved to a LAA base.

 

[Buck]

Don't be so sensitive, if I worked there in TUL I'm sure I would vote the same way, fortunately I've been to Oklahoma and really didn't think the low cost of living was worth moving there for. Living in Wisconsin and driving to ORD is worth it. I didn't slam TUL mechs. I said the company got the contracts passed because they appeased TUL where the majority of votes are. You said it yourself that AMFA isn't getting the cards signed there for a variety of reasons.

I didn't know AMTs work 24/7 operation, and OSMs are days with weekends off. That's interesting, I was always surprised with TUL and AFW for letting contracts pass with OSM / SRP mechs in it. That certainly isn't protecting our profession

Is LUS 757 going to TUL if so that's great news for TUL not so good for pit or CLT.

AA did a layoff in phx those guys were told they could go to LUS PHX as new hire and get seniority back when the merge is completed, but not trusting that, they took the layoff and moved to a LAA base.

 
it is not about the 757's going to TULE. It is about the 757's going to TULE before get a contract agreement on each others work

 

[700UW]

PMUS can vendor out 50% of billable hours of heavy, its better that its vendored out to TULE than to Singapore Technologies at BFM.
 
Does TULE have a 145 repair station certificate?

 

[Buck]

PMUS can vendor out 50% of billable hours of heavy, its better that its vendored out to TULE than to Singapore Technologies at BFM.
 
Does TULE have a 145 repair station certificate?

I think we still do have a current 145 certificate. Yes, I am aware of the contractual percentages. 
 
Then why is there even a discussions going on about doing each others work at Line stations?

 

[700UW]

If there is no US mechanic at a station it can be troubleshot by an AA mechanic if they were trained on US procedures and logbooks.  If parts are sent AOG to fix the plane, then it has to be US mechanics road trip to fix the plane.
 
Dont know the AA/TWU side, but I know US mechanics at CLT and other stations where there is no AA mechanic have been working AA metal.

 

[Buck]

If there is no US mechanic at a station it can be troubleshot by an AA mechanic if they were trained on US procedures and logbooks.  If parts are sent AOG to fix the plane, then it has to be US mechanics road trip to fix the plane.
 
Dont know the AA/TWU side, but I know US mechanics at CLT and other stations where there is no AA mechanic have been working AA metal.

I am sure that the Line station rules are different from the base(s). Do you know what happened to the "12" 757's at the MRO to cause the move to TULE?

 

[700UW]

No I dont, but its keeping the money in-house, US will use AA as the vendor, so its only on paper about money being exchanged.
 
I will ask my contacts in CLT about it, and see what they have heard.
 
ST MAE doesnt have the best reputations and has done shoddy work on the A319s before.
 
AA TULE is current repair station:
 
http://av-info.faa.gov/repairstation.asp?certno=AALR025A

 

[texasreb]

Don't be so sensitive, if I worked there in TUL I'm sure I would vote the same way, fortunately I've been to Oklahoma and really didn't think the low cost of living was worth moving there for. Living in Wisconsin and driving to ORD is worth it. I didn't slam TUL mechs. I said the company got the contracts passed because they appeased TUL where the majority of votes are. You said it yourself that AMFA isn't getting the cards signed there for a variety of reasons.
I didn't know AMTs work 24/7 operation, and OSMs are days with weekends off. That's interesting, I was always surprised with TUL and AFW for letting contracts pass with OSM / SRP mechs in it. That certainly isn't protecting our profession
Is LUS 757 going to TUL if so that's great news for TUL not so good for pit or CLT.
AA did a layoff in phx those guys were told they could go to LUS PHX as new hire and get seniority back when the merge is completed, but not trusting that, they took the layoff and moved to a LAA base.

You need to research your information. AFW always turned down contracts. We saw through the osm scam of attrition in 1995 and voted against it.