JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

[bigjets]

As much as I want a new contract, I'm glad our union is taking their time.

 

[conehead777]

Although the pace of talks is one we all have lost patience with, we can now see the pilots example of an interest to get it done as quick as possible can lead to problems. Also, it's being reported that although  the company has been blowing smoke that they're excited to "give us" a JCBA the truth is the reigns are being pulled back just as much by AA because they don't intend to willingly give us anything.
 

And now here is a big problem that distracts any form of unity of us. Although we all are pissed at the way the ASSoc was forced on us, we have way too many clowns like this Cone fella that are so hellbent to blame the Union for everything that he couldn't even read 'hogs' post properly,(highlighted)
At least on the TWBoo side of the Negotiators, we have heard that an autonomous platform has been agreed to that the Intl. is only engaged when requested. So the sooner we all understand the importance of providing a resounding message of support to our Negotiators, the sooner they can obtain some leverage to fight on our behalf. And it is a fight because no matter how much 'happy smoke' AA blows on those roadshow videos, it's still just smoke.
Lastly, for you TUL folks, don't under-estimate how disruptive the up coming Local elections might end up being to any momentum the Negotiators might achieve for all of us. If the 'old' regime of Little Jim is able to rear it's ugly head again over there, the 'fear campaign' that the OldGuy recently referenced could achieve a level that you've never yet seen. My understanding is your current Prez along with the other Negotiators have a very sound relationship toward their efforts for us all.

i blame the twu allso for one they only look out for there self not the members who pay union dues. They negotiated away our pay and benefits in about 2 weeks. But they can't in all the weeks they have negotiated talk pay and benefits and come out with bulletin boards and uniforms tas . Now there's no negotiations for a month.

The association updates are a joke. If I go to the AMFA southwest local page,AMFA puts what southwest hold ups are and what the company offer is The AMFA members are informed. How come the association will not let observers in negotiations. I'll tell you why because there would be no more back door deals with the company.

I never believed Parker claims of pay and benefit gains. That said the union members dues are paying the association to get us a industry leading contract. And that's what there responsible for. Not to give connsesions are screw us with jobs for less pay. That there so famous for. And i do not see them getting us a industry leading contract. If they want solidarity with us they need to let us know the truth of what is going on. Give us real info. And if they have nothing to hide allow observers in negotiations.

I can't believe there are people still defending the twu/association.

 

[xUT]

As much as I want a new contract, I'm glad our union is taking their time.

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[DallasConehead]

As much as I want a new contract, I'm glad our union is taking their time.

You make it sound like it some kind of strategy . We all know its ineptness of the "union" leadership to lead and their inability to get us an agreement..

 

[Kev3188]

 
Im sure I misread the post and saw only twu mishandling of our situation and jumped to that.
 
Now,
 
Go drink some twu cool aid to help you with your condition. Good for you to have so much faith in our capable negotiating team that has left us with nothing for years since the merge.
 
They don't lead so I don't follow. They put out a weak update and add more weeks to the schedule, piss poor and with out vision.
 
How come they cant organize the organized?  Why not system pickets to speed up the company's lack of urgency?  Why not something to put even a little bit of pressure?  Newspaper adverts, anything. But we see them leading with nothing.
 
GFYD

That was a little much...

 

[DallasConehead]

That was a little much...

 
Its your opinion. Everyone has one...
 
Go ... report to the mod, he'll delete if in agreement.

 

[conehead777]

That was a little much...

Dallas Conehead is right. After 30 plus years we are tired of the twu now the association being the union of major give backs, we're tired of twu kool aid drinkers. The twu did not even get SnapBack in the last two horrible contracts. The company is so profitable that SnapBack would of kicked in. Frustration are very high. Even your non union airline has given big raises after the bk. My dad retired delta so I do not want to here the n700 and weaasel line no contract bs. My dad did great at Delta. AA was a sham bk with over 4 billion in cash . Delta had to get a bk loan to survive. AA didn't take enough from us in 2003 so they did a sham bk to take more. And froze our retirement. After hearing the twu all the time we got more for your retirement and less pay raises. Well now it's time to pay us more so we can invest in our own retirement. And invest it the way we want. Plus they need to up the 401 match. No iampf I do not want the iam to control my money. Dallas Conehead is a great person.

 

[Kev3188]

Dallas Conehead is a great person.

I believe it.

And He/she had me agreeing with them 100% right up 'til the end, when they undercut their own argument...

 

[767 mechanic]

Yea ok, if you say so, I know several people in the room, you couldnt be more wrong.
 
And why dont you ask the Mechanic Presidents' why Sean Doyle is in charge of the TWU side?
 
I know the answer, do you?

 
I am not wrong the twu and the iam has there appointed flunkies talking to the company and then they relay that info to the local reps. There is no way to know if what they are saying is the truth because the local reps  did not hear it for themselves. Besides the internationals from both care about themselves and not the membership. This abortion called an assoc is proof of that. Look at all the lies that the twu and the iam told the members when the NMB was looking at the case. YES I know why Doyle is in charge of negotiations. It is because the twu membership is not in control it is the international that is in control because they own the contract. They are judge,jury and executioner. They are no different than the iam. The same industrial way of thinking. Look at the way the iam manipulated the membership in there present contract, giving them one day to vote (FRI) and they had to show up at the union hall to do that and lets not forget that the company was going to announce their quarterly profits on the following Wed. What is even more pathetic is that your beloved iam only brought their members pay up to an AA bankruptcy contract. It was done that way because the iam and the company new that they were going to report a large quarterly profit (OVER $1 BILLION) and they did not want to change any yes voters minds. The iam is bought and paid for just like the tw boo. 

 

[700UW]

Wrong

The TWU mechanic presidents were told to pick one of themselves to be in charge and they all picked each other, so they couldn't choose, so that's why Doule is in charge.

 

[JABORD]

 
Im sure I misread the post and saw only twu mishandling of our situation and jumped to that.
 
Now,
 
Go drink some twu cool aid to help you with your condition. Good for you to have so much faith in our capable negotiating team that has left us with nothing for years since the merge.
 
They don't lead so I don't follow. They put out a weak update and add more weeks to the schedule, piss poor and with out vision.
 
How come they cant organize the organized?  Why not system pickets to speed up the company's lack of urgency?  Why not something to put even a little bit of pressure?  Newspaper adverts, anything. But we see them leading with nothing.
 
GFYD

Not so sure you misread anything, Sport. Those blinders help you to only read what you want to see...
"we all are pissed at the way the ASSoc was forced on us"
So again, you criticize the Union, and for sure they deserve it, yet no mention of the pillaging AA has forced on us over the years. A little reality as to a moment in time when you bent over and saluted;
 
After 9/11 the financial hardships faced by the traditional carriers were exacerbated, and this provided a unique opportunity for these firms to petition the government for help. A little more than two weeks after the attacks, Congress passed the Air Transportation Safety and System Stabilization Act, which provided aid valued at as much as $15 billion.2
 
Samples’s source for this number was the airline executives themselves. They estimated the losses from the four-day grounding at $300 million per day, or $1.2 billion. This amount, though certainly significant, is far less than the $15 billion in direct aid and loan guarantees.
https://fee.org/articles/the-futility-of-the-government-airline-bailout/
 
And then the greed showed through with forced concessions.
 
Those of us that choose to lead are in search of more Shepherds, not adding to the herds.
 
Oh, and had you attended the meet I flew down for a few years back when we were in conversation with Louie and his regime, you would have seen the only thing I was drinking was of a German brew.

 

[swamt]

And I bet a certain individual on here still thinks and says that the nego's are still going smooth and advancing rather quickly.  
Good luck guys. I think all the airlines are in touch with each other and postponing new contracts to keep reaping in all the record profits. Our CEO keeps getting 20-30% increases while all this time for the last 4 years all our groups are still on a pay freeze.
I see someone posted that you guys have some dates set thru Aug. Well we have dates set for as far out as Sept., but nothing set for May, June, and only the last week of July is set.  I say we need to meet more often. If there is no contract by Oct. I see another delay coming to us with the changes that are going to happen at the National level of officers. The way the company is nego, we won't see anything this year as the company has promised...

 

[DallasConehead]

Not so sure you misread anything, Sport. Those blinders help you to only read what you want to see...
"we all are pissed at the way the ASSoc was forced on us"
So again, you criticize the Union, and for sure they deserve it, yet no mention of the pillaging AA has forced on us over the years. A little reality as to a moment in time when you bent over and saluted;
 
After 9/11 the financial hardships faced by the traditional carriers were exacerbated, and this provided a unique opportunity for these firms to petition the government for help. A little more than two weeks after the attacks, Congress passed the Air Transportation Safety and System Stabilization Act, which provided aid valued at as much as $15 billion.2
 
Samples’s source for this number was the airline executives themselves. They estimated the losses from the four-day grounding at $300 million per day, or $1.2 billion. This amount, though certainly significant, is far less than the $15 billion in direct aid and loan guarantees.
https://fee.org/articles/the-futility-of-the-government-airline-bailout/
 
And then the greed showed through with forced concessions.
 
Those of us that choose to lead are in search of more Shepherds, not adding to the herds.
 
Oh, and had you attended the meet I flew down for a few years back when we were in conversation with Louie and his regime, you would have seen the only thing I was drinking was of a German brew.

I like your colorful analogy so lets stick with it.
 
We all know what the wolves do, that's come to be expected of them. The job of the Shepard is to protect the flock from the wolves. But in our case the Shepard helped the wolves decimate the flock and then went and had beers with them afterwards and patted each other on the back over it.
 
Now. You go right ahead and keep giving the Shepard a pass and blame it all on the wolves.  But you still haven't told my why the Shepard doesn't get the word out to the village people,(no pun) about the wolves continuing to decimate the herd.
 
You know, maybe seek to inform the villagers of the problems up there in the grazing fields.

 

[767 mechanic]

Wrong

The TWU mechanic presidents were told to pick one of themselves to be in charge and they all picked each other, so they couldn't choose, so that's why Doule is in charge.

 
Talking about somebody that has no clue about the twu. Whoever told you that has a very vivid imagination. There has never been a president in direct negotiations with the company. It has always been a person from the international because they own the contract the same as the iam.

 

[Tater Salad]

I like your colorful analogy so lets stick with it.
 
We all know what the wolves do, that's come to be expected of them. The job of the Shepard is to protect the flock from the wolves. But in our case the Shepard helped the wolves decimate the flock and then went and had beers with them afterwards and patted each other on the back over it.
 
Now. You go right ahead and keep giving the Shepard a pass and blame it all on the wolves.  But you still haven't told my why the Shepard doesn't get the word out to the village people,(no pun) about the wolves continuing to decimate the herd.
 
You know, maybe seek to inform the villagers of the problems up there in the grazing fields.

Dude, don't you think it's time to give up the hatred? You're talking of things that happened far in the past, involving a different regime. I'm as pissed as anyone about the hosing we took form Little and his boys, but for lack of a better term, there's a new sheriff in town, and I haven't seen any evidence to show that we are in for more of the same. Give these f%^@ers a chance. They are powerless at the bargaining table without you.