It's time to sign a AMFA card

[1AA]

You obviously dont get what that man is saying in those videos do you?
 
You obviously didnt take any time to think about the idea I was trying to convey did you?
Please think about the words that were said and typed because AMFA is NOT a CURE ALL to Member ships woes.
 
if you belive that AMFA is a cure all you probably belive in the Tooth fairy too

You made the posts and I got the message you sent. Throw in the towel because all unions are the same. No thanks, as long as I am still turning wrenches I will push the effort of ridding ourselves of the money hungry, blood sucking industrial unions that have No Accountability to its members.

 

[Tinkerbell]

Its cool dude
Just remember its the Members that voted YES on a Contract brought you by corrupted Manegment job seeking union officials.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Its cool dude
Just remember its the Members that voted YES on a Contract brought you by corrupted Manegment job seeking union officials.

 
Tinkerbell
 
In today's airline world you are correct the union leaders at most carriers have been so corrupted by the system that the only way they seem to get a head for them selves is to jump into mgmt positions.
 
The heads of the industrial unions that 1AA speaks are for the most part un-touchable.
They get into office and find ways in which to get rich off the backs of the union labor they are sworn to fight for. You are correct as well that AMFA is NOT the save all for us.
It is going to take a monumental movement by the mechanics to LQQK back at what has happened to the career we all chose many yrs ago.
 
See what has been taken or bargained away for something else and fight for what should of been ours all along. Changing the way we think about our jobs and what the companies want and expect. 
 
it's time for the NOW generation to think about the group and what it is going take to get the pride in our work/career/future back.
 
Unionism today is not what it used to be, we are in the IGM world, specially here at AA.
The USAirways guys need to realise that no matter what, the new AA is NOT going to LQQK out for their interest. It is going to take all of us, working together to change the culture of the NEW AA for the betterment of our class and craft.
 
So as we move forward toward one big bargaining unit, the only way we are going to be able to combat the company is to stop the in fighting, join together as one.
 
Get rid of the TWU and the IAM start fresh, lets not let the two giant industrial unions who we all really know, Don't give a crap about us. It's all about the dues. We have watched them both take from our pockets. We have watched the leaders of both of these unions get rich along with the others throughout the union Hierarchy.
 
The IBT tried to tell us as well they were better but as we all did some home work of our own it was all just as much of a scam. They cost us a vote and time negotiating for a better way to provide for our families and our future.
 
AMFA's leaders don't make as much money as these big industrial leaders they also work side by side with the membership. Pay is more in line with the working man.
 
That may change a bit if they get big enough, but if you read AMFA's constitution.
What you will find is that there is a better way of doing things that will effect our class and craft.
 
So if you are really tired of the IAM/TWU scamming and want a change, then sign a card. Help yourself and the guy who turns a wrench next to you. Get involved in YOUR future. Plan to make a change that will bring back what we all have lost in the last 15-20 yrs.  Pride-Respect-Honor-Value-Fun. 
 
Remember how you felt about YOUR Job when you first started ?????
 
Do you want that back?????
 
SIGN A AMFA CARD TODAY, and get some one on you crew to do the same.
 
If you need cards sent to your station we can arrange that, if you are willing to get involved.
 
AMFA at AA 2014

 

[CactUS4Ever]

Sign an AMFA card and every mechanic with 20 years or less seniority will be out of a job. The employees that want AMFA are senior guys that all they care about is a few extra dollars an hour more in there pocket. They don't give a crap about the guy like me that will be out in the street after 15 years of service. Im not a big fan of the TWU or IAM but the grass is never greener on the other side.

 

[1AA]

Sign an AMFA card and every mechanic with 20 years or less seniority will be out of a job. The employees that want AMFA are senior guys that all they care about is a few extra dollars an hour more in there pocket. They don't give a crap about the guy like me that will be out in the street after 15 years of service. Im not a big fan of the TWU or IAM but the grass is never greener on the other side.
 

Are you for real? Where in the heck did you get that information?
You need to get informed.

 

[swamt]

CactUS,  who is telling you this?  Sounds like a scare tactic to me by the industrial unions.  What you said WILL NOT happen just because you bring in AMFA, or any union for that matter.  If someone is telling you this it is completely false and incorrect, and I am confident you know this already...

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

Sign an AMFA card and every mechanic with 20 years or less seniority will be out of a job. The employees that want AMFA are senior guys that all they care about is a few extra dollars an hour more in there pocket. They don't give a crap about the guy like me that will be out in the street after 15 years of service. Im not a big fan of the TWU or IAM but the grass is never greener on the other side.

CactUS4ever
 
I can assume that by your on line handle you're a AWwest guy.
 
What happened when you joined with USAirways? What happens to you and others with 20yrs of seniority will happen if we stay with the TWU/IAM alliance or NOT.
AA isn't going to keep all the bases, like it or not. AA bought new aircraft so O/H is going to be reduced, like that or not. DP is not going to give you a contract then start negotiations again with you after the merger is complete, like it or not.
 
What has the iAM done for you since the merger? Didn't enough guys sign cards to get a vote there? Then you kept the IAM because of the pension. 
 
Well AA took ours all work groups, Pilots/F/A's/TWU so they will not pay the IAM pension and not give the rest of the work groups a pension. AA will set up another way of giving you something like a matching 401k. That is the future for us all. NO Defined Pension Plan. With the 401k we will have NO Restrictions either like with your iAM or the IBT deals.
 
AMFA is not going to trade jobs for money that is the way the industrial unions keep dues coming in by telling you that. 
 
Oh and BY the Way I have 16yrs at AA, so I will be gone too if it happens but just to see the TWU and IAM out of the industry will be satisfaction enough for me.
 
I am with airline number # 5, its just part of the industry. Never been laid off. They all just closed, filed BK and then gone. So think about our class and craft and NOT just YOU.
 
Sign a card to bring AMFA to the NEW AA in 2014.

 

[CactUS4Ever]

Right now as per The IAM agreement we work 50% of the heavy checks and according to the numbers I've seen last year we worked 67% of the heavies in addition to that we've been working all kinds Mods on The Line that should be worked in a hangar. There are many nights we defer workload due to the fact we can't handle it. I'm afraid if we vote AMFA in we lose 100% of the heavies and Mods and many Hangars and The Pension Accrual. This is where I'm getting 20 years seniority and yes this is what The IAM is telling US.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Right now as per The IAM agreement we work 50% of the heavy checks and according to the numbers I've seen last year we worked 67% of the heavies in addition to that we've been working all kinds Mods on The Line that should be worked in a hangar. There are many nights we defer workload due to the fact we can't handle it. I'm afraid if we vote AMFA in we lose 100% of the heavies and Mods and many Hangars and The Pension Accrual. This is where I'm getting 20 years seniority and yes this is what The IAM is telling US.

What makes anyone think AMFA will give away heavy maintenance?  When you say AMFA will, you are saying the IAM members that you elect to represent you under AMFA.  The US AIr members will elect the national officers and all the way down. So what you are inferring that your own people will give it away.  I do not believe that is what you mean. research what you may hear, knowledge is power
 
SWA had no outsourcing limits when it took over at southwest airlines and they negotiated the first outsourcing cap at 38% From no limit.
 
AMFA at southwest recently also won in arbitration case to get a 4th line of overhaul
why would they do that if they want to give it away?

 

[700UW]

WN outsources more maintenance than any other airline.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

What makes anyone think AMFA will give away heavy maintenance?  When you say AMFA will, you are saying the IAM members that you elect to represent you under AMFA.  The US AIr members will elect the national officers and all the way down. So what you are inferring that your own people will give it away.  I do not believe that is what you mean. research what you may hear, knowledge is power
 
SWA had no outsourcing limits when it took over at southwest airlines and they negotiated the first outsourcing cap at 38% From no limit.
 
AMFA at southwest recently also won in arbitration case to get a 4th line of overhaul
why would they do that if they want to give it away?

 
[SIZE=10.5pt]* During the second round of bankruptcy give-back negotiations, AMFA won new job projection language for technicians at the Base and Line stations. Although AMFA’s proposals were initially rejected by UAL as out of order because these were not “normal” Section 6 negotiations when the contract becomes amendable, the negotiators’ persistence led to these improvements.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]* The union also won the right for an independent audit to measure the company’s compliance with a contractual outsourcing limit. The union broke new ground with this language; no union within any industry had ever been able to stem the outsourcing tide.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]The first two audits (2005 and 2006) revealed that UAL owes the members at least $480 million. AMFA expected, after winning the case currently in arbitration, to get all laid-off employees back to work when outsourced work was brought back in-house.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]* AMFA also held more arbitration hearings than the previous union — an average of 16-20 per year versus the previous union’s average of three or four.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10.5pt]Again where is it that AMFA will outsource?????[/SIZE]

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Here is the case that AMFA fought for the fourth line of overhaul.
 
 
SOUTHWEST AIRLINES CO.
and
AIRCRAFT MECHANICS FRATERNAL
ASSOCIATION
)))))))))))
Case No. 2933
Kevin Minchey, Esq., for the Employer
Nicholas P. Granath, Esq. & Lucas K. Middlebrook, Esq., for the Union
Before Matthew M. Franckiewicz, Arbitrator
OPINION AND AWARD
This arbitration proceeding involves whether the Employer had the obligation to institute a fourth line of
heavy maintenance.
A hearing was held on October 4 and 5, November 15 and 16, and December 19, 2012 at Dallas, Texas.
In addition, by agreement of the Parties, testimony of one witness was taken by conference call on
December 10, 2012. Both Parties called, examined and cross examined witnesses, and offered
documentary evidence. Witnesses were sequestered and a transcript was prepared. The Union filed a
motion to submit a post-hearing exhibit, which I denied. Both Parties filed briefs. 
 

Contract Provisions Involved
Article 2
SCOPE OF AGREEMENT
5. Southwest Airlines Mechanics shall continue to perform the existing three Heavy
lines that are currently being conducted at Southwest Airlines facilities. Upon
reaching a net fleet size of 621 airplanes the Company will add a fourth line of
heavy maintenance. In the event aircraft are acquired as result of an acquisition
of an airline or entity the Company and AMFA will meet to discuss the impact that
such acquisition would have on the implementation of the fourth line of heavy
maintenance.
 
AMFA prevailed and Southwest implented a fourth line.
 
verify statements before drawing a conclusion
 
knowledge is power

 

[700UW]

You can post what you want, they do four lines of Cs in DAL, WN has 594 airplanes AirTran has 93 lanes they have almost 700 planes and they outsource more than any other airline in the USA.
 
They got the fourth line to let WN outsource planes to Aeroman in San Salvador.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

[SIZE=10.5pt]* The union(AMFA) also won the right for an independent audit to measure the company’s compliance with a contractual outsourcing limit. The union broke new ground with this language; no union within any industry had ever been able to stem the outsourcing tide.[/SIZE]

 

[Chuck Schalk]

You can post what you want, they do four lines of Cs in DAL, WN has 594 airplanes AirTran has 93 lanes they have almost 700 planes and they outsource more than any other airline in the USA.
 
They got the fourth line to let WN outsource planes to Aeroman in San Salvador.

didn't you read my earlier post?   southwest had no outsource limit before AMFA, they brought the work in house and continue to bring more work.