Implications of new UA CBA and US fleet negotiations

[737823]

You mean like the CBA you agreed to that let vendors and other airline employees do your work where you are staffed or not staffed?
 
Good thing the merger lawsuit happened otherwise you would have a POS CBA.

And yet the IAM agreed to give many UA stations to Air Wisconsin, Hudson General, and Swissport. And also can collaborate with UA management to keep UA employees but bring depress wages and work rules. As Kev said, this was a lost opportunity for labor to make gains but your IAM gave the co everything they wanted, UA management can't believe their luck. Rich Delaney, Ira, Sito, the AGCs, and other NC members that brought this POS agreement out for ratification should be ashamed.

Josh

 

[robbedagain]

just bec ua got their deal   does not mean we will get the same type..   ive met some of the top negogiators on our committe in the past    i do not think we will see the ua type deal  and if the us donkeys presented it to our leadership  i dont think it would pass  but stranger things have happened..     the only reason ua mgmt wanted that was to get co and ua together under one roof sort of speak there      at us  mgmt wants the support for merger  and that merger is all they are concerned with   thats why last summer both iam groups asked to be released   but the slow pokes at the govt nmb agency still has refused to released both iam groups  

 

[737823]

just bec ua got their deal   does not mean we will get the same type..   ive met some of the top negogiators on our committe in the past    i do not think we will see the ua type deal  and if the us donkeys presented it to our leadership  i dont think it would pass  but stranger things have happened..     the only reason ua mgmt wanted that was to get co and ua together under one roof sort of speak there      at us  mgmt wants the support for merger  and that merger is all they are concerned with   thats why last summer both iam groups asked to be released   but the slow pokes at the govt nmb agency still has refused to released both iam groups

Robbed I agree completely-you guys should stay strong and push for something better. But you have to understand that you don't exist in a vacuum, you are participants in a marketplace just like your UA peers. They have willingly agreed to these terms which will become the industry standard. The IAM had tremendous leverage for that very reason, UA wants to integrate the two operations and they should have held strong on scope. But again, IAM wanted dues from the non-union sCO agents so they hastily put this deal together to begin collecting dues ASAP.

Josh

 

[cltrat]

we're not going to see those kind of hourly rates till post merger if it happens
it won't ever happen otherwise

looking at the UA deal besides the obvious scoop issues another concern to me there is the unlimited part time numbers,we cant ever agree to that.

It's been said the UA deal doesnt matter to US workers, I couldnt disagree more

any phase of operation of a quote legency carrier, is closely watched by the other carriers and if sucessful will be copied in some fashion by them.

 

[john john]

You mean like the CBA you agreed to that let vendors and other airline employees do your work where you are staffed or not staffed?
 
Good thing the merger lawsuit happened otherwise you would have a POS CBA.

Bingo you get it.
The company is just following the UA deal

 

[700UW]

Really? Cause your deal was agreed to in August, UA and the IAM agreed last month.

Try again and Dont let the facts get in your way!

 

[john john]

TAI or TAII at UA

 

[737823]

Funny and while you poke fun at the CWA agreement explain why CWA agents have better scope and work side by side with contract fleet service in many stations. I'm no fan of the CWA, but they have at least held the line on scope, until your IAM.

Josh

 

[psa8979]

Brothers/Sisters it does not matter to IAM LCC FS going forward what was agreed to by the UA/CO IAM FS going forward because the MAJORITY said YES to the TA/2 and it's now a binding CBA. From the very beginning of negotiations at UA after bankruptcy and a merger with CO to the current ratified binding CBA it was always comparing pumpkins to peas. The LCC/US IAM FS CBA after 2 bankruptcies, merger, transition CBA, and 2+ years of negotiations never was close to UA CBA both before and now. I suggest any one who thinks it matters what happens now for LCC IAM FS going forward based on what UA IAM FS now has ratified in their CBA needs to read page by page both agreements. Members at LCC both FS and MR need to stand their ground in SOLIDARITY and not depend on what UA/ D-141 do in determining  OUR future. The record and facts speak for themselves.

 

[psa8979]

Also when it comes to the issue of SCOPE the two Class/Craft/ Unions that have the best protection is LUV PS IAM D-142 and LUV FS TWU. Most if not all LUV Citiies are staffed with Full Time LUV Agents . Better then the SCOPE language LCC CWA PS.

 

[Jester]

Also when it comes to the issue of SCOPE the two Class/Craft/ Unions that have the best protection is LUV PS IAM D-142 and LUV FS TWU. Most if not all LUV Citiies are staffed with Full Time LUV Agents . Better then the SCOPE language LCC CWA PS.

As I have said before... few things would piss-off mechanics more than fleet service having an hourly wage approaching (or surpassing) their pay scale. So as our leadership is probably more favored towards mechanics, so does anyone believe a better negotiated TA for fleet? I think the mostly likely post-merger unions will be TWU for fleet and IAM for mechanics.

 

[700UW]

Your leadership has nothing to do with M&R, two different Districts and two sets of Leadership.

 

[700UW]

Jester,
 
Guess you forgot about the Alliance between the IAM and TWU, both will represent both groups depending on location and it if the membership ratifies the agreement.

 

[john john]

Also when it comes to the issue of SCOPE the two Class/Craft/ Unions that have the best protection is LUV PS IAM D-142 and LUV FS TWU. Most if not all LUV Citiies are staffed with Full Time LUV Agents . Better then the SCOPE language LCC CWA PS.

SOUTHWEST AIRLINES AND TRANSPORT WORKERS UNION OF AMERICA
Should the Company have a need to contract with third parties for the performance of covered work at stations where flight activity does not exceed 12 departures per day, the Company shall be entitled to do so. The Company shall notify the Union of:
a. The nature of the contract; and b. The anticipated length of time the third party work shall be required.

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US Airways, Inc. and the Communications Workers of America
The Company may operate up to two (2) daily mainline jet departures in Express stations.

 

[john john]

Jester,
 
Guess you forgot about the Alliance between the IAM and TWU, both will represent both groups depending on location and it if the membership ratifies the agreement.

"IF"