Implications of new UA CBA and US fleet negotiations

[737823]

As most are likely aware, the UA membership recently ratified a new agreement that included major concessions in scope and by 2018 will only protect core work at seven hubs. The IAM has lowered the bar for all airline workers and it is likely US will seek similar scope and other concessions, merger or not. What do you think? How can the craft/profession move forward and concentrate on maintaining and enhancing scope?

Josh

 

[700UW]

Flamebait thread, all ready talked about in the fleet thread,

 

[737823]

How so? It's a reasonable question. Kev and CLTRat have remarked to the effect on the UA forum, I think it is a worthwhile discussion for US forum since not everyone reads threads on UA forum as it's one of the less frequented areas of this site.

Josh

 

[robbedagain]

well given that the donkeys and teh iam 142 talks did not go well   i highly doubt them donkeys would be inclined to give us an early xmas gift   them donkeys are hellbent on mergin regardless    thats why now more than ever is soo critical of getting the support   the iam is the only group at us that does not support the merger and its for good reason too  i dont think we will see that type of deal til after the merger  if we do merge

 

[psa8979]

Other then FS being in the same D-141 it doesn't matter what happens at UA for LCC IAM Members. Do you think any one at UA listened to any IAM Member at LCC what they should do or how they should vote ? The results of the TA-2 ratification and strike vote says it ALL ! Once the merger is approved and AMR Group becomes largest  #1 Airline Inc.competing against UA things will only get worse for LCC IAM FS if we stay in D-141 . Lets all hope and push IAM Leadership to do the right thing moving forward. UA IAM Brothers /Sisters have years of sorting out their own issues with CBA, Seniority, and Leadership . 

 

[737823]

Other then FS being in the same D-141 it doesn't matter what happens at UA for LCC IAM Members. Do you think any one at UA listened to any IAM Member at LCC what they should do or how they should vote ? The results of the TA-2 ratification and strike vote says it ALL ! Once the merger is approved and AMR Group becomes largest  #1 Airline Inc.competing against UA things will only get worse for LCC IAM FS if we stay in D-141 . Lets all hope and push IAM Leadership to do the right thing moving forward. UA IAM Brothers /Sisters have years of sorting out their own issues with CBA, Seniority, and Leadership .

It absolutely matters, you are part of a marketplace and your brothers and sisters at UAL lowered the bar for all airline workers by accepting that pathetic TA for meager pay increases and other crumbs from the company. Unfortunate but still true. My feeling is there was a strong motivation for DL 141 to get this agreement ratified quickly so they could begin getting dues from sCO passenger service agents. Of course that opportunity doesn't currently exist at US, hence why DL 141 has placed US negotiations on the back burner in favor of UA. Face it, you guys have been negotiating since 2011, the IAM was actively running a campaign at UA til March 2012 yet they concentrated their efforts at UA, for one reason and that being dues from sCO. New contract or not, US still remits dues with payroll to the Grand Lodge so there is little impetus for them to get serious about negotiating.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Once again your posting lies.
 
DL 141 has NOT put negotiations for Fleet on the back burner, they asked to be released, and no word from the board for months.
 
The negotiations are SCHEDULED by the MEDIATOR from the NMB, not the IAM nor US Airways.
 
Why post lies again joshie?
 
And wrong again, the dues arent send to the Grand Lodge, each respective District Lodge receives the dues money from US, and then they send the Grand Lodge their percentage and then the Local Lodges also get their percentage.
 
Why are you posting wrong information once again?
 
It averages over three years to reach a CBA under the RLA.
 
And Passenger Service has their own CBA at UA, they voted on their own CBA, just like the ramp did at UA.

 

[737823]

Once again your posting lies.
 
DL 141 has NOT put negotiations for Fleet on the back burner, they asked to be released, and no word from the board for months.
 
The negotiations are SCHEDULED by the MEDIATOR from the NMB, not the IAM nor US Airways.
 
Why post lies again joshie?
 
And wrong again, the dues arent send to the Grand Lodge, each respective District Lodge receives the dues money from US, and then they send the Grand Lodge their percentage and then the Local Lodges also get their percentage.
 
Why are you posting wrong information once again?
 
It averages over three years to reach a CBA under the RLA.
 
And Passenger Service has their own CBA at UA, they voted on their own CBA, just like the ramp did at UA.

Its not lies.

So what doesn't matter who US remits the dues to first, GL or DL or LL, that is just an accounting and process technicality, on principle it is the same. As things are now at US the IAM receives the dues regardless whereas at UA they were motivated to get something ratified to begin collecting dues from the unorganized sCO passenger service agents. Doesn't matter if they are on the same CBA or not as Bob Owens has said before, the NMB doesn't care the principle is that the IAM wanted the dues pronto and reached a sloppy agreement that barely passed ratification through the use of fear and intimidation. Why didn't they get a stand alone CBA for sUA before JCBA? They started negotiations in 04/2009, merger wasn't announced til 05/2010 and they didn't begin integration til 03/2012, plenty of time they could have worked to get something for sUA.

Josh

 

[robbedagain]

josh  as for us and the iam 141 our negogiation team is not budging from their position   as long as they maintain that and i think they will  we will remain in sec 6 talks    i do not think we will get that type of deal  

 

[700UW]

Funny how you dont address the facts, the facts that I posted that showed you posting misinformation once again.

 

[737823]

Funny how you dont address the facts, the facts that I posted that showed you posting misinformation once again.

What specific facts would those be?

Josh

 

[LD3]

Why don't you two start your own forum and beat the fu-k out of each other....

 

[john john]

Would US fleet service settle for the same type of contract that is now at UA? US senior management would have a hard time not giving US fleet the same type of deal. This is your industry contract that IAM leadership showed the way

 

[john john]

And Passenger Service has their own CBA at UA, they voted on their own CBA, just like the ramp did at UA.

Why not see if US IAM can put the same kind deal of a contract out there to vote on. After all if the membership votes it in is OK RIGHT

 

[700UW]

You mean like the CBA you agreed to that let vendors and other airline employees do your work where you are staffed or not staffed?
 
Good thing the merger lawsuit happened otherwise you would have a POS CBA.
 
 

http://cwa-agents.or...and-us-airways/

http://cwa-agents.or...r-of-agreement/

http://cwa-agents.or...vice-employees/

Res will now make less than Airport Agents.

 
 

Non-Union vendors or AA non-union CSA and res can do US Airways CSA and RES covered work, and the CWA and IBT are saying to vote yes!