Flufdriver
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If Us Airways Can Make It Till Year End...
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no one i know wishes for U to fail...however with the ineptitude we've seen from CCY..what else is there to expect BUT failure?XJTGuy said:
we're in a financial dilema brought on by CCY'S knee jerk recovery plan that wasn't very well thought out as i see it.
we were told during BK these concessions are and were needed to set the company back on track...now they wish for more?when does it ever end?
robbedagain
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XJT: You must be one of those DELETED that cant seem to make this airline right.
So if you have nothing positive to say about how the unions have done their part, then I suggest you keep quiet. You know as well as the rest of the unions including mine have given everything up to help and your mgmt team still cant make it work. I suggest that you go and think about it real hard!
So if you have nothing positive to say about how the unions have done their part, then I suggest you keep quiet. You know as well as the rest of the unions including mine have given everything up to help and your mgmt team still cant make it work. I suggest that you go and think about it real hard!
All,
Take your blindfold off your head and look 360 degrees. When was Uair last profitable quarter? How far do we have to go back and look? It has been years! Now lets blame BK, and this MGT team for all of your problems! You want to see a good quarter or maybe 4, here are some suggestions!
1. MX should stop pushing A/C off the gate. ($$$ save). Take pride in your A/P ticket and get back to the hanger and use it.
2. IAM should understand that A/C cleaning is not a skill and it cost to much $$$. for this type of work. It is all about the dues not the jobs and hire contract cleaners. maybe they would look a little cleaner.
3. PIT deicers, now that's a good thought to save some $$$, getting ride of white gold and look at farming this out. Again its about the dues and $$$ for the M/X troops to make overtime dueing winter ops, not about the labor cost that Uair will have for this to be kept in house.
4. Get LSG Skychef's to deliver your meals(whats left of the flights that have it) again this is about dues and this is not in the best interest of Uair.
The list could go on!!!!!!!
I have lived in a HUB city for 35 years and I know Uair employees that are on the street with 15 to 18 years of service to this company and have to start over.
This company and it's labor groups have to take a hard look in the mirror!!!!
the ship is sinking and how do we fix it!!!
labor is the highest cost in any company and that's were Dave has to look again!!
also, Mike W
I am thinking deep! Maybe you should pull you head out of your #@###!
JUST A THOUGHT!
Take your blindfold off your head and look 360 degrees. When was Uair last profitable quarter? How far do we have to go back and look? It has been years! Now lets blame BK, and this MGT team for all of your problems! You want to see a good quarter or maybe 4, here are some suggestions!
1. MX should stop pushing A/C off the gate. ($$$ save). Take pride in your A/P ticket and get back to the hanger and use it.
2. IAM should understand that A/C cleaning is not a skill and it cost to much $$$. for this type of work. It is all about the dues not the jobs and hire contract cleaners. maybe they would look a little cleaner.
3. PIT deicers, now that's a good thought to save some $$$, getting ride of white gold and look at farming this out. Again its about the dues and $$$ for the M/X troops to make overtime dueing winter ops, not about the labor cost that Uair will have for this to be kept in house.
4. Get LSG Skychef's to deliver your meals(whats left of the flights that have it) again this is about dues and this is not in the best interest of Uair.
The list could go on!!!!!!!
I have lived in a HUB city for 35 years and I know Uair employees that are on the street with 15 to 18 years of service to this company and have to start over.
This company and it's labor groups have to take a hard look in the mirror!!!!
the ship is sinking and how do we fix it!!!
labor is the highest cost in any company and that's were Dave has to look again!!
also, Mike W
I am thinking deep! Maybe you should pull you head out of your #@###!
JUST A THOUGHT!
robbedagain
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I dont know what the other unions have given up, but as for the iam which I belong to in a station that went from what used to be 7 jets a day to only a mainline express city or as I call it expressed out station, we've given up say something along the lines of 2 million or more, plus the outsourcing of stations such as mine, plus doing three times more work with less people, what more could there be for my iam union to give up? the one area that needs fixing is the baggage delivery system. I bet that would signifacntly reduce the amount of money spent on delivering people's lost luggage!!!!!!
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Another one blinded by the facts.XJTGuy said:
1. Lets see we fly into 89 mainline stations and mechanics only push at six stations, and the staffing is a skeleton crew and you would need the same amount of mechanics just to do the checks and fix broken planes. (This company illegally tried to outsource heavy mtc and got an injuction slapped on them)
"Mechanics will continue to perform the dispatch function of operating
the pushback vehicle in BOS, DCA, LGA, PIT, CLT and PHL. During
deicing events, irregular operations or when mechanics are not available
due to performing non-dispatch mechanic duties on other aircraft, any
other IAM represented employee may perform the dispatch function."
2. Once again, we fly into 89 mainline stations, there three shift staffing at BOS, CLT, DCA, LGA, PHL, PIT, LAX and SFO, for Utility. The other ten stations are third shift only.
So at the 81 stations we either have the ramp (who makes $3 more an hour) cleaning planes, a vendor of F/A.
3. In PIT they are not calling overtime for deicing, and who do you want deicing a plane you fly on, a Certified AMT or some joe blow off the street making $8 an hour?
4. US Airways only has catering at CLT, PIT and PHL, and where we use Skychefs it costs more for a plane to be catered by them then our own people, and we only serve meals on flight of 700 miles or more.
Once again you have not seen 20,000 of your coworkers on the street, lost your pension or taken massive pay and benefit cuts. This company came to the employees TWICE for a total of $1.1 Billion in concessions per year, yet at every avenue violate the very collective bargaining agreements they negotiated and signed.
There is no trust from labor to Dave and his team, they have lied, cheated and stolen from US Airways' employees, once again you are an outsider and you have not lived thru what has happened. So don't tell the good employees of US Airways what they need to do, they all ready have it is an inept management team that does not know how to run an airline, not the employees!
labor is the highest cost in any company and that's were Dave has to look again!!
Where do you get the your information? Whe it comes to Labor.....Southwest has only a few more employees per aircraft then U and we have larger aircraft!! Also we do alot of things inhouse that LUV does not like heavy maintenance, IT work etc. Also the Southwest mechanics total compensation is WAY MORE than U!!! As is Ramp, stores, F/a and yes..... Pilots! Given the small aircraft they fly) But ofcourse they fly to places people want to go. And they actually WANT to make a profit. NEWS FLASH XJT>>>>>>THE HUB ISNT THE BEST PLACE FOR TRUE INFORMATION....just a tad better the the Baghdad Times during Saddam!!!!! :angry:
Where do you get the your information? Whe it comes to Labor.....Southwest has only a few more employees per aircraft then U and we have larger aircraft!! Also we do alot of things inhouse that LUV does not like heavy maintenance, IT work etc. Also the Southwest mechanics total compensation is WAY MORE than U!!! As is Ramp, stores, F/a and yes..... Pilots! Given the small aircraft they fly) But ofcourse they fly to places people want to go. And they actually WANT to make a profit. NEWS FLASH XJT>>>>>>THE HUB ISNT THE BEST PLACE FOR TRUE INFORMATION....just a tad better the the Baghdad Times during Saddam!!!!! :angry:
h34r:Very classy! Let's see. In August of 2002 US Airways and this management team laid out the concessions that they needed to make this company viable and to make it possible to emerge from BK. There was no negotiations. Take it or we go to a Bankruptcy judge and have your contracts voided. All employee groups ratified those concessionary packages. Two months later,this management team was back again saying that they had miscalculated. They needed more from the employees otherwise they'd shut the doors. THEY laid out the parameters of the cost savings they needed. Organized labor met those conditions and the second round of concessions were ratified,albeit with a gun to our heads. Next they decided that they pilot's pension had to go and they took that. Now they're back again,saying that they underestimated the growth of the LCC's and they need more concessions to impliment a NEW business plan that no one has seen.
At what point is this management team accountable for anything? How many jobs have to be lost before someone says enough is enough. They'll be another round of concessionary packages to vote on because the unions are accountable to their memberships. How many of those who stand to lose their jobs will be willing to fall on their swords to keep US Airways operating while they're out on the street? My guess is not many. Since the last votes were so close, and we haven't seen anything in the last year to give us any indication that Dave and his cronies have any clue as to what they are doing,I don't expect that a new round of concessions that stand to put more employees on the streets has much chance of being successful.
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