robbedagain
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- Oct 13, 2003
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because they are totally embarassed by the extremme shoddy maintaince work being performed by scabs!!!!And why does NWA not publish the daily stats again??????
If NWA survives, it should be strong
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CSAR GYRENE
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I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you saying PTO should simply have said "Thats not in my contract?"
My job is to help deliver quality aircraft on time, on target. If that means I help with pushback, so be it. If I gotta take off my inspecter hat and pick up a wrench, so be it. If I make a mess, I dont say its someone elses job to clean up after me, I get some speedy dry and a broom and clean up. If a piece of GSE needs fixing, and they dont have the manpower, I fix it. Am I to be faulted or called brown noser for this? If a job needs to be done, and I am capable of doing it, I'm gonna do it..PERIOD! I am not gonna whine about my ever so holy "Contract". If I gotta go outside my job classification to complete the mission, and step on some whiny little toes, tough.
If this was not what you are refering to in your post, I apologise, But that "thats not in my job description" attitude drives me nuts!
Red Tail Bear
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- Apr 21, 2004
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Scab Gyrene,
The managers boots need a good licking too.And I know its not in your job description, but since your so gung ho, it seems like your "more than willing to complete the mission"
Necrophilias
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- Mar 7, 2006
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because they are totally embarassed by the extremme shoddy maintaince work being performed by scabs!!!!
There can be mistake that the SCABS have endangered many people and worse yet is the fact that they continue to do so.
Yesterday the nose gear collapsed on a Northwest "SCAB Airways" aircraft when it arrived at the gate in Cleveland.
NICE WORK! HA HA HA!
PlayTheOdds
Veteran
When you guys say "A" aircraft, that is all but meaningless. Lets try using aircraft numbers.
ThirdSeatHero
Veteran
Kinda like the aircraft number on that B757 with 4 mains blown???
You know, the one you were going to get back to us on???
The one you said you talked to the mechanic who worked that problem on, the one you told just about everyone on this board that it couldn't have happened as it was reported, yet when I told you specifically how it could, you go strangely silent???
Now what was that aircraft number again??? <_<
Necrophilias
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It's nice to know that I'm not the only person here who may post incomplete information.
I guess the real blessing present day is that I have no urgent need to fly on Northwest. WHEW! When an aircraft mechanic doesn't have union backing on a safety or maintenance issue this is frightening. This is especially true given the current push to "do things on the cheap".
Training, training, training! Training takes time, intelligence and a caring attitude. Until recently I never questioned that Northwest mechanics had all three of the forementioned.
Kev3188
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CSAR GYRENE
Veteran
at the risk of kicking a dead horse, are you implying that going over and above the call of duty is bootlicking?
CSAR GYRENE
Veteran
This brings up a very good hypothetical question...If a union man is caught performing shoddy maintenence,and puts a flight at risk, will the union do everything in its power to ensure said piece of feces never works in aviation again, or will it sue the airline to ensure he stays employed? For that matter, who's the biggest danger to a flight..A veteran contractor with outstanding skills, or someone who has to hide his poor performence behind layers of of contractual legalese. You can say whatever you wish in response, but I'm willing to bet ALL here, union and otherwise, know someone who fits this catagory.It's nice to know that I'm not the only person here who may post incomplete information.
I guess the real blessing present day is that I have no urgent need to fly on Northwest. WHEW! When an aircraft mechanic doesn't have union backing on a safety or maintenance issue this is frightening. This is especially true given the current push to "do things on the cheap".
Training, training, training! Training takes time, intelligence and a caring attitude. Until recently I never questioned that Northwest mechanics had all three of the forementioned.
As an Inspecter, I dont care if he's union, non-union, scab, manager or ceo..if I catch him pencil whipping or doing piss poor work, I'm gonna quite cheerfully stretch his sorry neck a few inches while I drag him out the gate.
ThirdSeatHero
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Your post is somewhat misleading on two parts.
1) You ask (in context)"would a union defend...." this is misleading insofar as it being a question. Unions don't have that choice. Until a grievance process has been exhausted, the union is the advocate. Just like lawyers MUST defend their clients a union must defend its members. The result for not performing this task/doing so in a sub standard manner usually results in a DFR lawsuit against the union.
2) you infer that unions keep people who should be fired from being fired. This is just another tired union cliche. I was in aviation for 22+ years. 18+ of that was in a union position at UAL, and I can assure you that all the pencil whippers at United that UAL could prove did so, were NOT saved by the union. Additionally, what I saw over the years at UAL was sloppy investigative work/preparation by the company. I know this will probably start a whole stream of responses but in my experience those that "should've been fired" weren't saved by what you refer to as "layers of of contractual legalese" but by ineptitude on the companies part. Case in point. I was involved with a case to terminate a mechanic who had one of the worst attendance problems I've ever seen, or heard about. This individual had received progressively intense discipline (all perfectly legal) from the company. If the company had continued along its already established course of his attendance problem, the union could've done nothing more than help him pack his tools. However, what happened in this case is an overzealous up-and-coming young supervisor just wanted to be rid of this individual(understandable)went and trumped up charges, the individual was walked off the property and held out of service for over 1 year as his termination hearings/appeals were heard. Now if the company had just stuck to his attendance issue, the mechanic was done, in this case though they used trumped up charges that the union(rather easily) proved false. So after a year out, the individual was returned to work with full back pay.
This is the type of story that many people tend to spin into unions stopping people from being fired who should be. For those of you nodding I'd caution you, be careful in that thinking. A thief may indeed be a criminal, but does that make it okay to charge him with murder unjustly??
Red Tail Bear
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- Apr 21, 2004
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Well, after seeing how the company treats it's employees after years of hard work and dedication,(especially considering NWA's notorious reputation of working shortstaffed)I can't help but wonder why you would want to do that?
Do you honestly think that the company is going to treat a bunch of scabs better than their own employees?
SilentWarrior
Advanced
Very well presented, and I thank you for the analogy.
My, my...violence at the workplace!!! Talk about grounds for termination!! All the bootlicking in the world will not save you!! Companies happen to take that and sexual harassment very seriously!!!
PlayTheOdds
Veteran
Yes exactly like that one. Reading the actual log page to see what maintenance was performed is the best way to find out exactly what went wrong isn't it? With an aircraft number that will be relatively easy to find. As far as the mechanic that said he worked on the aircraft goes, well lets just say I have found him to be a bit less than a reliable source of information. Now as far as this disturbing a cable goes and the problem not showing up till rotation as you suggested is a crock.
