If Another Attack Happens?

[usfliboi]

What do you guys think will happen with industry when or if another attack happens. It s clear that there are fresh plannings according to the media and government . The smoke and mirrors the government have in place for "security" is shaky at best. WILL WE SURVIVE? Will the naysayers on this board still yell full day to last day ? I hope for all of our sake it doesnt happen. I hope we all are on the look out and not allow things like our problems get in the way of 100% defense

 

[PITbull]

If the industry receives another terroristic blow, USairways will not survive, even if all the employees come to work for little to no wages, and forfeit all benefits.

We will all have to say "good night". And we won't be alone. The entire industry will be in peril.

 

[USFlyer]

If there's another attack, it's over. Not only for U either. If traffic falls off again, I don't see how many of the majors (and quite possibly a few of the LCCs) could survive without Chapter 11. It really depends how the traveling public reacts, but people tend to get scared for at least 12-18 months when something like that happens.

 

[delldude]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN...make no doubt about it......the fat lady will sing when and if............... :unsure:

 

[Harry Callahan]

I also pray that there is never another attack. But should there be I agree it is over for all of us.....
I would just sugguest as we all go work, lets pay attention more to what is going on around us & in our work areas. If something does not look right or feel right it probably is not. REPORT IT.

 

[usfliboi]

Check and double check ids. Dont worry about insulting someone. We have to stop these guys one way or the other were the front line guys and last resort for it all. Watch look and listen even at malls etc. Hopefully we can all agree we each have a responsiblity to be aware and challenge those who arent supposed to be where they are.

 

[javaboy]

well humbley speaking,
1. the amount of passengers traveling will drop dramatically such that there would be over capacity in the Industry.
2. this would dictate either all carriers adjust or loss of some of them would achieve same result.
3.there will be cascading effects including but not limited to...
a. many employees wont show up simply because a safe work environment cannot be guarenteed.
b.with massive amounts of flights being canceled others simply won't be able to get to work (remember over72% of all airline employees do not live where they work).

now just those factors will disrupt schedule integrity, massive drop in immediate revenue will strain all balance sheets the weakest will collapse the others would file for protection. more than likely the government would have to takeover the industry to maintain some sort of scheduled service.

this is assuming a similar method employed in the 9-11 attacks (airplanes as weapons ) if some other method imployed pick a major city as an example then what no service to say nyc?? the damage to the national economy would be such that airlines wouldn't be at the top of the lets help them list....

let us be vigilant, and pray that nothing like that shall come to pass.

to all those airline crews i salute you for your dedication to your companies and choosen profession

thank you

:unsure:

 

[ual777fan]

Another terrorist attack would be devasting. There is no mistaking that. And the intelligence about this threat is very specific. Over at MSNBC.com they are reporting that Osama Bin Laden himself has okayed this plan and that the CIA has intercepted communications alerting them to specific cities and flight numbers. It is believed that if the attack goes off as planned it will involve foriegn airliners. There was a story on MSNBC.com yesterday that reported that the federal government believes that terrorists are flying for foriegn airlines now. That is a very scary thought. The ironic part of the whole story was that security protections implemented after 9/11 would protect the terrorist from a passenger mutiny.

The best thing that we can do is to stay vigulant. Check ID's, Check Tickets. Observe, see something abnormal, report it.

 

[Flying Titan]

There was a story on MSNBC.com yesterday that reported that the federal government believes that terrorists are flying for foriegn airlines now. That is a very scary thought. The ironic part of the whole story was that security protections implemented after 9/11 would protect the terrorist from a passenger mutiny.

I hadn't heard this. That is scary. Like many, I believe that the 9/11/01 attacks could not be repeated in the same manner - not because of TSA or other changes, though I believe they have helped to some degree - but because the passengers simply would not allow it. A pessenger revolt combined with reinforced doors would almost certainly stop hijackers from taking over the cockpit - but if the hijacker was already in the cockpit - as the capt. or first ofcr. - well, I guess it's up to the Air Force at that point. God help us all if one of our F-16s has to fire on a 747 full of people.

 

[Hula Girl]

Saudi Pilots banned in the US
Very scary indeed.

 

[Art at ISP]

Regarding the banned Saudis, this occurred back in September--the date on the story is Sept. 11, 2003.

I agree however that another attack would be devastating, God forbid.

Please be diligent and sage up there, and my best to you all...

 

[delldude]

i'd make a big point of scrutinizing cargo procedures.......real big point..... security isn't quite as 'tight' as at the terminal...all things will be exploited....i'm sure security isn't as lax as it once was....but i see it as a penetrable target.

 

[ual777fan]

Good for you delldude.

I keeping my eyes open when I fly these days to.

 

[usfliboi]

PARIS (Dec. 24) -- Six airline flights between Paris and Los Angeles were canceled at the U.S. Embassy's urging because of terrorism fears, the French government and Air France said Wednesday.

The flights scheduled for Wednesday and Thursday were called off because of information obtained ''in the framework of the French-American fight against terrorism,'' the French prime minister's office said.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security had been meeting with French officials in recent days over concerns about a possible terrorist attack.

One U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the U.S. government had been trying to keep the negotiations with France confidential, ''hoping that we would be able to lure some of these people in.''

The official said there was some frustration within the Department of Homeland Security that the flights were canceled, thus allowing the word to get out about the security concerns.


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Three of the flights were scheduled to depart Wednesday - two from Paris and one from Los Angeles. Air France gave the flight numbers as 68, 69 and 70.

The three other flights were scheduled to leave on Christmas Day - two from Los Angeles and one from Paris. Air France listed those flight numbers as 68, 69 and 71.

The airline said it was working to arrange accommodations for stranded passengers.

''These flights have been canceled for security reasons. It comes out of a disposition given by American authorities in France,'' said Anna Laban, deputy press attache at the French consulate in Los Angeles.

The cancellations came almost exactly two years after the arrest of so-called ''shoe bomber'' Richard Reid.


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Reid, a British convert to Islam, was arrested on Dec. 22, 2001, when he tried but failed to detonate explosives in his shoes on American Airlines flight No. 63 from Paris to Miami. He was sentenced to life in prison.

In recent days, Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge had personally been involved in security briefings with French officials, as well as officials from other nations, Transportation Security Administration spokesman Brian Doyle said.

He would not name other countries that had been contacted.

''We're talking to our counterparts in other countries about security concerns,'' Doyle said.

Security at Los Angeles International Airport had already been tightened to its highest level in two years.

With 2.6 million travelers expected to use the airport between Dec. 19 and Jan. 4, airport officials on Wednesday searched cars bound for terminals and prohibited curbside dropoffs and pickups.

Los Angeles Mayor James Hahn announced the new restrictions late Tuesday, calling them ''a precautionary measure during a period of heightened readiness.''

Los Angeles operates one of the busiest airports in the world. It has twice been targeted for attacks in recent years - a foiled bomb plot planned for around New Year's Day 2000, and a shooting at a check-in counter that left three dead on July 4 last year.

The airport was shut down for two days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and private vehicles were kept out of the central road area for two months.


12/24/03 16:09 EST

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[delldude]

i think this holiday everyone in our and many other industries owe a debt of gratitude to those in the intel industry.it always seem they are forever second guessed,but i must say to me it looks as if they did their homework this time.
MY HATS OF TO THOSE PEOPLE AND THANKS!