IBT vs IAM

[Bob Owens]

The plan was to take the company on and strike if the members rejected the contract. That is why a strike vote was taken at the same time.

So in other words they had no plan. You know damn well that the IAM, despite the strike vote, would never have called a strike. Didnt they take a strike vote in 2002, then when the mechanics rejected the agreement accept over $1 million from USAIR to conduct another vote?

It is not blaming the membership it is the reality of what happened, since you work for AA and not US, I would not expect you to know that.

Thats all you ever do. Blame the membership for poor leadership thats almost impossible to change. Well now they have the opportunity to change leadership and you say they shouldnt.

The fact is the IAM provided no leadership and no plan. The problems facing USAIR were not unique to USAIR, the whole industry was going after their workers and your leaders did nothing to counter the threat. Your statement about that since I do not work for USAIR, therefore ignorant as to what you faced, only proves my assertion that we are a divided fragmented labor movement and that is why these companies have been so successful at breaking us.

When UAL announced that were going to ty and have their contracts abrogated I sent out a letter to everyon on my list that if a judge abrogates any labor agreement we should all walk off the job. If our contracts are not protected then they are worthless. Jim Little demanded that I retract that statement. You fault the members. Why didnt the leaders of the IAM,IBT and TWU put aside their differences and threaten to shut doewm the country? Because they didnt really care and were not willing to fight for us thats why. Each saw this as an opportunity to gain members over the long haul. And you come on here and blame the membership!!! If they would have called fror a nationwide shutdown you know the members would have participated.

In 2002, there were hundreds of phone calls and e-mails by them members wanting to revote, I disagree with it and it should have stood.

Yea, but you defend the IAM despite the fact that they screwed their members. You come on here and say they had a plan, but the plan was to have them revote until it passses and you know it.

And since you dont work for US you don't remember former CEO Dave Siegel saying he was going to hold his own revote on the matter after being bombarded by calls and e-mails, do you?

And you believed him? What would give him the authority to hold such a vote? I remember warning you guys about Dave. Everything I said would happen did happen.

Some of the facilities are organized the majority are not as they are not true employees they are independant contractors, and if you have ever been involved in organizing a MRO, it is very difficult.

Thats because they fall under the NLRA. Its different and not as easy as the RLA but most union workers in this country that are not government workers fall under the NLRA. It cant be that difficult, its just the the ROI is not as good as RLA members for the unions due to the fact that in RTW states those who dont want to dont have to pay dues.
Besides, are the members wrong for expecting their unions to take on difficult objectives. or should they let them sit back on their six figure salaries?

 

[awausairtech]

The scope was very effective, it took two bankruptcies and an abrogation to force it to be changed.

The membership ratified the final offer which let the company outsource the A330, 757, 767 and 50% of the 737s. Even with that IAM/US CBA still has better scope language then ibt/HP CBA which allows 100% of base mtc outsourced as proof Timco and Aeroman overhauls HP's aircraft.

OK 700 The Big Picture!!!!
The 737 flt Is Being PHASED OUT And The 190's are Coming!
What Is The Scope in the IAM CAB FOR THAT????
The IAM Has Played RIGHT INTO THE COMPANY'S HAND...
If We Do not Get The IBT IN AND THE NEW SCOPE IN YOU CAN KISS THE C CHECKS AND ANY HOPE OF MORE WORK IN HOUSE GOOD BYE.
3 YEARS PLUS (2009-2011) TO PHASE THEM OUT.
And That Works Out Too MORE USAIR AMT'S WORKING AT MOBILE,TIMCO,AND AEROMAN. :angry:
VOTE IBT AND SAVE OUR A@@ NOW!!!ITS TIME TO THINK SMART!

 

[delldude]

OK 700 The Big Picture!!!!
The 737 flt Is Being PHASED OUT And The 190's are Coming!
What Is The Scope in the IAM CAB FOR THAT????
The IAM Has Played RIGHT INTO THE COMPANY'S HAND...
If We Do not Get The IBT IN AND THE NEW SCOPE IN YOU CAN KISS THE C CHECKS AND ANY HOPE OF MORE WORK IN HOUSE GOOD BYE.
3 YEARS PLUS (2009-2011) TO PHASE THEM OUT.
And That Works Out Too MORE USAIR AMT'S WORKING AT MOBILE,TIMCO,AND AEROMAN. :angry:
VOTE IBT AND SAVE OUR A@@ NOW!!!ITS TIME TO THINK SMART!

dude , you're quite wrong....IAM scope has that scenario covered if you'd look into it....

once again IBT BS for votes campaign fails again

and oh by the way,per andy marshalls statements to t-bone a the PIT meeting..they want sec 6 neg's for 2 1/2 yrs....2008.5

 

[T-bone]

Owen's

Your logic is fairly convaluted.

No one is blaming the membership or leadership of the IAM.

The simple fact remains that even after facing a judge and abrogation the IAM contract is superior to the one at AA, with the exception of chump change.

That and other sticking points will be remedied by the Transition Agreement the IAM will secure and at the same time PUT 500 PEOPLE BACK TO WORK!

I think ist's time you took a little reality check and look at the facts. If the IAM would have struck at the bankruptcy they all would be out of jobs now ala northwest.

The best place to fight for a better contract or look for a new job is while your employeed. Not while out on the street, especially with the teamsters complete lack of strike fund.

 

[awausairtech]

dude , you're quite wrong....IAM scope has that scenario covered if you'd look into it....
/quote]SHOW ME BLACK AND WHITE.

 

[700UW]

US/East does complete overhaul, not just a several day c-check.

 

[awausairtech]

US/East does complete overhaul, not just a several day c-check.

go east go WE AS TEAMSTERS SUPPORT U.

Hay 700 can you show me the IAM scope has that scenario covered from[quote name='delldude' date='Mar 1 2006, 08:30 AM' post='358164' post ??????????????

 

[delldude]

 

[NeedForSpeed]

US/East does complete overhaul

For now

 

[awausairtech]

Well Dell I see you got the news too.

STILL LOOKING FOR THAT BLACK AND WHITE ANSWER!!!!

just incase you forgot
dude , you're quite wrong....IAM scope has that scenario covered (post='358164'])

 

[insp89]

Owen's

Your logic is fairly convaluted.

No one is blaming the membership or leadership of the IAM.

The simple fact remains that even after facing a judge and abrogation the IAM contract is superior to the one at AA, with the exception of chump change.

That and other sticking points will be remedied by the Transition Agreement the IAM will secure and at the same time PUT 500 PEOPLE BACK TO WORK!

I think ist's time you took a little reality check and look at the facts. If the IAM would have struck at the bankruptcy they all would be out of jobs now ala northwest.

The best place to fight for a better contract or look for a new job is while your employeed. Not while out on the street, especially with the teamsters complete lack of strike fund.

T-bone, I'm not convinced with your "fact" that if the IAM would of honored the NO vote, that the mechanics would of been out of a job [Like Northwest]

The situation at U was completely different than at NW, due to the SCABS that NW hired and trained....

I was willing to find out what the company would do if in fact the IAM had a backbone and took the company on....I believed then [and still do] the company would of came back with something better. [There was too much money to be lost from the upper management ranks to liquidate.]

You seem to have some inside information on the transition agreement..Care to elaborate?

 

[fanlube]

I think ist's time you took a little reality check and look at the facts. If the IAM would have struck at the bankruptcy they all would be out of jobs now ala northwest.

The best place to fight for a better contract or look for a new job is while your employeed. Not while out on the street, especially with the teamsters complete lack of strike fund.

This kind of thinking has gotten the labor movement in the position it is in today! You my friend are a coward! That is the typical IAM catch phrase, well get em next time mentallity, you weren't prepared to take the company on then and you won't be prepared to take them own in 09. Part of being a UNION MEMBER is the willingness to stand up for what is right and so far only one organization had the guts to do it, if all unions had stood up to the airlines and fought togather instead of fighting each other the WORKERS would be a lot better off today! But the IAM chose to set the labor movement back by not only crossing NWA picket lines but performing struck work!

 

[Bob Owens]

This kind of thinking has gotten the labor movement in the position it is in today! You my friend are a coward! That is the typical IAM catch phrase, well get em next time mentallity, you weren't prepared to take the company on then and you won't be prepared to take them own in 09. Part of being a UNION MEMBER is the willingness to stand up for what is right and so far only one organization had the guts to do it, if all unions had stood up to the airlines and fought togather instead of fighting each other the WORKERS would be a lot better off today! But the IAM chose to set the labor movement back by not only crossing NWA picket lines but performing struck work!

As long as the company doesnt go after check-off these unions will never fight back.

Where else could the type of uneducated ass kissers you see in the top ranks of these unions get a job making six figures along with all the other perks they get?

 

[delldude]

So in other words .
your famous byline??
And you come on here and blame the membership!!! If they would have called fror a nationwide shutdown you know the members would have participated.
i feel you are out of touch with reality and living in the unionistic past dude....never in this country will you see a nationwide shutdown
Yea, but you defend the IAM despite the fact that they screwed their members. You come on here and say they had a plan, but the plan was to have them revote until it passses and you know it.
members apathetic nature let them screw themselves tenfold
I remember warning you guys about Dave. Everything I said would happen did happen.
damn...shoulda listened to you in the first place...wouldn't be in this predicament if we just woulda listened to you...damn..

 

[NeedForSpeed]

QUOTE(Bob Owens @ Mar 1 2006, 09:38 AM)

So in other words .
your famous byline??
And you come on here and blame the membership!!! If they would have called fror a nationwide shutdown you know the members would have participated.

Dell Quote:
i feel you are out of touch with reality and living in the unionistic past dude....never in this country will you see a nationwide shutdown

Well said, Dell