IBT vs IAM

[delldude]

During the financial conference with employees, DP stated the company was looking forward to integrating workforces and negotiating a transition agreement with either the IAM or IBT. That will surpise DP if the IBT doesn't want to negotiate a transition agreement. Doesn't make sense Dell.

well then why would andy marshall,secretary treasure of ibt 104 make those comments at the PIT hotel earlier this month?

he said they had no interest in a transition agreement but would rather go section 6 which would consumate some 2 1/2 years down the road.

don't let anyone from the east side know this....it could screw up the vote....

and he's let it be known the company would negotiate...but they left out these sorrid little details....

 

[EricLv2Fish]

well then why would andy marshall,secretary treasure of ibt 104 make those comments at the PIT hotel earlier this month?

he said they had no interest in a transition agreement but would rather go section 6 which would consumate some 2 1/2 years down the road.

Dell, I wasn't there. Is this hearsay, or did you actually hear those words come out of Andy's mouth? It just doesn't make any sense not to negotiate a Transition Agreement for quick resolution and then negotiate a new contract.

 

[awausairtech]

Dell my info. was from FRED he turned in his IBT Card.
What I posted will be backed up by the IBT Very Soon.

HAVE A NICE IBT NIGHT.

 

[delldude]

well then why would andy marshall,secretary treasure of ibt 104 make those comments at the PIT hotel earlier this month?

he said they had no interest in a transition agreement but would rather go section 6 which would consumate some 2 1/2 years down the road.

don't let anyone from the east side know this....it could screw up the vote....

and he's let it be known the company would negotiate...but they left out these sorrid little details....

its what was told to me.....

 

[700UW]

US Airways Representation Update-IAM NMB Rules against US Airways

 

[delldude]

US Airways Representation Update-IAM NMB Rules against US Airways

whats this??

awausairtech....explain

IBT posting more misinformation again??

 

[T-bone]

I was personally talking to Andy Marshall at the last Pit profiganda meeting. Upon questioning he agreed that it was the teamsters plan to not have a transition agreement, and that this would mean usair west mechanics would earn less per hour and have separate contracts till a new contract is ratified.

Also he stated to me and every one of the 6 or so of us in the room that opening up sect 6 negotiations would mean a minimum 2 and a half years meaning that the people who would be called back to work at usairways for heavy maint if the Iam contract were to be ratified now, would be out of work till at least 2009.

Think about this.

This from a man who's trying to covince me that the teamsters poor example of an agreement is better than the Iam contract that contains SCOPE.

He tells me the teamsters are better.

I ask---after 10 years at usair west why do you have no scope at all.

 

[Bird Doctor]

US Airways Representation Update-IAM NMB Rules against US Airways

awausairtech Today, 03:24 PM Post #26
NEWS FLASH::::
The VOTE IS ON!
Cards Counted!
It Will Be Posted on The IBT Web Late Today Or Early Tomorrow.
So Get You Some Now And Not 3 to 5 years From Now.
VOTE IBT FOR A BRIGHTER FUTURE

I would like to know how the IAM can have a letter dated Feb27,2006 disputing what was posted today at 03:24PM????

More cut and paste lies. watch your dates you got caught

 

[awausairtech]

whats this??

awausairtech....explain

IBT posting more misinformation again??

Real Simple We Have The List Of Who Can And Who Can't Vote And It Adds Up To Over 35%

WE EVEN HAVE FREADS CARD. LOL!!!

HAVE A NICE IBT DAY!!!

 

[awausairtech]

I was personally talking to Andy Marshall at the last Pit profiganda meeting. Upon questioning he agreed that it was the teamsters plan to not have a transition agreement, and that this would mean usair west mechanics would earn less per hour and have separate contracts till a new contract is ratified. (You need to read our contract!! WE MAKE MORE MONEY THAN THE EAST AT THIS TIME. SO THE IAM LIED ONCE AGAIN. WE WILL BRING YOU UP TO OUR PAY!!!)

Also he stated to me and every one of the 6 or so of us in the room that opening up sect 6 negotiations would mean a minimum 2 and a half years meaning that the people who would be called back to work at usairways for heavy maint if the Iam contract were to be ratified now, would be out of work till at least 2009.(ONLY IF WE LET THEN)Think about this.

This from a man who's trying to covince me that the teamsters poor example of an agreement is better than the Iam contract that contains SCOPE. (Our New SCOPE Is Beter Than Yours, And Stronger...)
He tells me the teamsters are better. (HE IS RIGHT)

I ask---after 10 years at usair west why do you have no scope at all. (You NEED TO READ HISTORY OF THE TEAMSTERS AT AWA)

LOOK AT THIS! Where Are You Today With The IAM..Under Paid And A Contract That Can Not Hold Up Even To Our Old Contract.
Sold Out By The IAM Till 2009 And We All Know That Will Take 2 Years Or More.. 2011

 

[Snafu]

US Airways Representation Update-IAM NMB Rules against US Airways

All this says is that the COMPANY's request is denied for an extension to provide signatures. The COMPANY, not the IBT, not the IAM. What's the big deal? What's this got to do with the possibility of a vote being announced? You're reaching pretty far. Post withdrawals??

 

[Bob Owens]

I ask---after 10 years at usair west why do you have no scope at all.

Scope is only as good as the unions desire to enforce it. Obviously for the thousands who lost their jobs despite your language Scope was not very effective.

T-bone, 700U admitted that the whole thing is screwed up. How will staying with the IAM, in afractured labor movement where those at the top with their six figure salaries and generous perks are quite content, move us as workers in a single transportation system towards the unity we need to restore our compensation?

The fact is that if you stay with the IAM nothing will ever get better.

Workers in a single industry will be split up between several business unions. Those unions are concerned about only one thing-dues flow. Most of these unions, like the TWU and IAM have developed Internationals that are immune from accountability to the membership. Locals have no power so attending meetings will change nothing.

The IBT has left the AFL-CIO. They are out of the old boys network where nobody steps on the other guys turf. Are the Teamster alter boys, no. Do they have their problems -yes. But our problems as airlines workers go way beyond corrupt individuals. Our problem is that we are not united, nor can we ever be if we are all in different unions.

The IBT exodus from the AFL-CIO gives the workers of this industry the opportunity to make a move to do what the leaders would not do-work towards unity by getting us all into one union. When management of any airline sits down at the table they can no longer say "Work with us and we will make your membership grow (at the expense of other unions)". The Teamsters wont care. You want workers, this is what you pay. Growth here at the expense of jobs at a competitor and pay rates across the entire industry will no longer appeal to the union.

I dont see how staying with the IAM, with the promise of more of the same, could appeal to anybody, except those on the IAM payroll.

What does staying with the IAM have to offer over the long haul? The IAM is a dying union. They have no plan, and the structure prevents anyone with a plan from entering the picture. Listen to 700U, he blames the membership, refuses to discuss whats wrong with the labor movement and how to fix it. Is this the best workers can hope for with their dues dollars?

 

[700UW]

The scope was very effective, it took two bankruptcies and an abrogation to force it to be changed.

The membership ratified the final offer which let the company outsource the A330, 757, 767 and 50% of the 737s. Even with that IAM/US CBA still has better scope language then ibt/HP CBA which allows 100% of base mtc outsourced as proof Timco and Aeroman overhauls HP's aircraft.

 

[Bob Owens]

The scope was very effective, it took two bankruptcies and an abrogation to force it to be changed.

The membership ratified the final offer which let the company outsource the A330, 757, 767 and 50% of the 737s. Even with that IAM/US CBA still has better scope language then ibt/HP CBA which allows 100% of base mtc outsourced as proof Timco and Aeroman overhauls HP's aircraft.

There you go again, its the memberships fault. If the members had rejected the agreement, like the mechanics did in 2002 what was the IAMs plan, another revote on the same agreement?


If the airlines are committed to getting out of the overhaul business the answer is not to cut our pay to third party rates. Its to strike and organize the workers at those facilities.

 

[700UW]

The plan was to take the company on and strike if the members rejected the contract. That is why a strike vote was taken at the same time.

It is not blaming the membership it is the reality of what happened, since you work for AA and not US, I would not expect you to know that.

In 2002, there were hundreds of phone calls and e-mails by them members wanting to revote, I disagree with it and it should have stood.

And since you dont work for US you don't remember former CEO Dave Siegel saying he was going to hold his own revote on the matter after being bombarded by calls and e-mails, do you?

Some of the facilities are organized the majority are not as they are not true employees they are independant contractors, and if you have ever been involved in organizing a MRO, it is very difficult.