IAMPF General discussions

[scorpion 2]

I understand. My good friend 700UW likes to say that (Sorry bro). Of course "everything" has an associated cost when the company considers "Total Value Compensation" That includes what they formulate they pay out on average to the 5.5% match as well. I don't take the fullest advantage of it since I don't work extra hours. But a guy who does work as much OT as he can gobble up and CS's does pretty well for himself at the end of the year I'm sure.

A new hire FSC (Full time since PT in the current IAM contract get half the rate) might be better off getting in to the Pension since they're only making $9.00 per hour (in DFW and $11,00 in MIA) and may not feel he can afford to put anything into the 401? Until he feels he can afford to start putting money away at least it's something over nothing or the 3% contribution.

Most of us who participate on these boards though have different needs and thoughts. We're out of here soon in comparison to some 21 year old kid who just walked in the door. So we have to think in a different way and try and maximize the value we can obtain before we leave.

Unfortunately in today's reality we all should realize that nothing is safe. Pensions and 401k's both collapse thanks to the greedy bastards out there who have Politicians in their pockets to write laws protecting them far more than they protect us. And the biggest borrower of Social Security, our own Government. Hell the cops won't even let homeless people live by the side of the Railroad tracks anymore. And you can be arrested for feeding the homeless in Ft Lauderdale like they're a group of pooping Pigeons or something.

I'd move to Sweden or Norway when I retire if I could afford it. Guess I'm going further South instead.  

You are correct everything has a cost. Just like when our ask went from 20% to 17% because the pilots ask went down to 17%.  The only difference for us was everyone had to give up 2/3rds of their profit sharing and part time fleet service got back full time medical coverage.  Nice job twu getting part time bag smashers full time medical.  Can't negotiate the reduction so have your indentured servants cough up their profit sharing as a trade off. Just like when the pilots voted down their first T/A and got a better deal the second time around. What did our ME/TOO provision get us? Squat! We supposedly got ME/TOO equity but the equity never changed from 4.8%. Before the pilots accepted their deal we had 4.8% and after they accepted their T/A our equity was 4.8%. The only thing different was the pie chart that the twu put out that explained our equity payout. It now had ME/TOO equity. There was no me-too equity. The ME-TOO equity was just a gimmick to get the twu off the hook to negotiate a better deal. I concur weassahole the company does consider Total Value and that value doesn't change regardless of ME-TOO promises by the twu. The ME-TOO is just another scam to get yes votes.

 

[WeAAsles]

You are correct everything has a cost. Just like when our ask went from 20% to 17% because the pilots ask went down to 17%.  The only difference for us was everyone had to give up 2/3rds of their profit sharing and part time fleet service got back full time medical coverage.  Nice job twu getting part time bag smashers full time medical.  Can't negotiate the reduction so have your indentured servants cough up their profit sharing as a trade off. Just like when the pilots voted down their first T/A and got a better deal the second time around. What did our ME/TOO provision get us? Squat! We supposedly got ME/TOO equity but the equity never changed from 4.8%. Before the pilots accepted their deal we had 4.8% and after they accepted their T/A our equity was 4.8%. The only thing different was the pie chart that the twu put out that explained our equity payout. It now had ME/TOO equity. There was no me-too equity. The ME-TOO equity was just a gimmick to get the twu off the hook to negotiate a better deal. I concur weassahole the company does consider Total Value and that value doesn't change regardless of ME-TOO promises by the twu. The ME-TOO is just another scam to get yes votes.

And this diatribe has what to do with the topic I posted? Are you incapable of staying on topic and having any type of meaningful conversation?

 

[AANOTOK]

Bag smasher, scorpion? You hurt my feelings...well, at least you didn't call me a "non-mechanic", now that would have devastated me and made me question my career choice.  B)

 

[WeAAsles]

Bag smasher, scorpion? You hurt my feelings...well, at least you didn't call me a "non-mechanic", now that would have devastated me and made me question my career choice.  B)

Beginning to see what the Anarchists are all about? 


 

noun an·ar·chist \ˈa-nər-kist, -ˌnär-\

: a person who believes that government and laws are not necessary
 

Full Definition of ANARCHIST

1:  a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power

2:  a person who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially :  one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order

 

[MetalMover]

 

Beginning to see what the Anarchists are all about? 


 

noun an·ar·chist \ˈa-nər-kist, -ˌnär-\

: a person who believes that government and laws are not necessary
 

Full Definition of ANARCHIST

1:  a person who rebels against any authority, established order, or ruling power

2:  a person who believes in, advocates, or promotes anarchism or anarchy; especially :  one who uses violent means to overthrow the established order
 

Maybe if the masses rebelled against Hitler and the Nazi Party...well you know the rest. 

 

[WeAAsles]

Maybe if the masses rebelled against Hitler and the Nazi Party...well you know the rest.

So now we're comparing the "Institutional Unions" to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's? Wow ok.

 

[MetalMover]

So now we're comparing the "Institutional Unions" to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's? Wow ok.

Don't put that spin on it....You know that is not the gist of my comment.
You are calling some posters here anarchists because they might be against the authority and power of the mighty TWU.
 
Sometimes rebellion is a good thing...
You know like the colonies fighting England for independence.
The fall of Apartheid.
The end of slavery...
 
Anti TWUers are not anarchists....
 
I could call pro TWUers Pacifists.

 

[WeAAsles]

Don't put that spin on it....You know that is not the gist of my comment.
You are calling some posters here anarchists because they might be against the authority and power of the mighty TWU.
 
Sometimes rebellion is a good thing...
You know like the colonies fighting England for independence.
The fall of Apartheid.
The end of slavery...
 
Anti TWUers are not anarchists....
 
I could call pro TWUers Pacifists.

Ok then just run off and scream at the World while you're bringing in that $75,000 BASE yearly paycheck PLUS benefits.

Yes I'm sure that all of the outside readers that come here are crying mountains of sympathy for your horrendous plight. <_<

 

[MetalMover]

Ok then just run off and scream at the World while you're bringing in that $75,000 BASE yearly paycheck PLUS benefits.

Yes I'm sure that all of the outside readers that come here are crying mountains of sympathy for your horrendous plight. <_<

So are you saying that the TWU should not be challenged in any way, shape or form? They may be our bargaining agent, but you seem to think they can't  do any wrong. I don't see it that way.

 

[700UW]

So are you saying that the TWU should not be challenged in any way, shape or form? They may be our bargaining agent, but you seem to think they can't  do any wrong. I don't see it that way.

He has never said that.
 
And how many times have YOU and others at AA fail to change representation?
 
You all believe in Bob "hiding in the closet AMFA" supporter and he was on your NC several times, and yet you say your CBA and your union sucks, maybe you all need to elect new leaders.
 
Maybe its about time you and others take personal responsibility for what is going on.
 
You do know what the definition of insanity is?

 

[MetalMover]

He has never said that.
 
And how many times have YOU and others at AA fail to change representation?
 
You all believe in Bob "hiding in the closet AMFA" supporter and he was on your NC several times, and yet you say your CBA and your union sucks, maybe you all need to elect new leaders.
 
You do know what the definition of insanity is?

He doesn't have to say it...He has faith in the TWU whereas many of us do not. 
So because we failed to change representation, we should just open our arms to the TWU...and now the TWU/IAM association?
Sorry, but you are the insane one if you believe that we will ever be content with TWU representation.

 

[WeAAsles]

He doesn't have to say it...He has faith in the TWU whereas many of us do not. 
So because we failed to change representation, we should just open our arms to the TWU...and now the TWU/IAM association?
Sorry, but you are the insane one if you believe that we will ever be content with TWU representation.

BTW the average US yearly earnings for someone who holds a Masters Degree in 2014 was $68,952. And your BASE currently is about $75,000.

  http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

Anyway once again another one of the hundreds of threads on here hijacked and taken off course yet again for the woe is me crowd.

 

[FWAAA]

BTW the average US yearly earnings for someone who holds a Masters Degree in 2014 was $68,952.

The BLS table says "Median," and yet you used "average." I blame the south Florida schools for your ignorance.

 

[WeAAsles]

The BLS table says "Median," and yet you used "average." I blame the south Florida schools for your ignorance.

Excuse the Faux Pas. Relative semantics but obviously not for a pencil pushing numbers guy. Again how are your old friends who got kicked to the curb doing?

Hope some of them didn't have to take jobs at Walmart?

 

[swamt]

The point I am making about the $2 is that it was sold as US funding the pension. But it costs $2 an hour to pay for it. So whatever hourly pay was negotiated, they might as well say they are earning $2 an hour less. 

He will never see it this way. I too have told him this entire time whatever cost the co endures to come to a package will directly reflect the hourly rate.  Some even think that their pensions are "nothing out of their pockets" when in fact it's $2 bucks per hour out of their pockets off the top of hourly pay...