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On 6/23/2003 10:49:59 PM to much time to quit wrote:


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On 6/23/2003 10:25:57 PM lester wrote:







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On 6/23/2003 9:58:54 PM willnotworkforfree wrote:

try it one more time.

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technical difficulties bordering on the lack of knowledge end of computer science

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Do you know if their hiring in that field? I don''t think the iam represents any computer science people. Unless of course they drive a limo as a side job in NYC. On the union meeting issue. I will never in my life waste my personal time at an iam union meeting again! I''m sure their is incentive for some who will get a check for dues reimbersment. That would be my only reason ever to go. Its not that any of us picked AMFA, they are the only option to go with for a change. Its an afl/cio thing. I''m sure you learned all of this already at your monthly meetings. And about sending out my resume, don''t you understand I have (To Much Time To Quit). I tried to make it easy on you guys when I picked that name as I was sure when I posted all the shortcomings of our company/union I would be hearing that battle cry. Its mainly about the revote and deception. And please don''t tell me how they saved all of our jobs. SAVE IT!!

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so you''re telling me that you are all for AMFA as an only option here at U as NW mec''s sit idly by and watch AMFA let the company outsource carte blanche and they tell the rank and file theres nothing they can do about it.at least IAM would go to court.go over to singaporre and see how many AMFA mechs from NW are doing their heavies now,my friend.as of yet i haven''t seen nor heard of any of our work at U going out the door.or did i miss something?sure theres plenty of rumors...and thats all...rumors.speculation....thats all.IAM needs more arm chair rank and file like you.you do your union proud.you''d be the same arm chair expert if it was AMFA you swore your allegience to.you don''t fool me one minute.guys like you want to reap all the rewards as long as someone else does the work.no matter what union you belong to it isn''t any stronger than the membership and guys like you do not have any business in a union,no matter what that union is. have a nice day.
 
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On 6/24/2003 8:48:33 AM lester wrote:




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On 6/23/2003 10:49:59 PM to much time to quit wrote:


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On 6/23/2003 10:25:57 PM lester wrote:







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On 6/23/2003 9:58:54 PM willnotworkforfree wrote:

try it one more time.

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technical difficulties bordering on the lack of knowledge end of computer science

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Do you know if their hiring in that field? I don''t think the iam represents any computer science people. Unless of course they drive a limo as a side job in NYC. On the union meeting issue. I will never in my life waste my personal time at an iam union meeting again! I''m sure their is incentive for some who will get a check for dues reimbersment. That would be my only reason ever to go. Its not that any of us picked AMFA, they are the only option to go with for a change. Its an afl/cio thing. I''m sure you learned all of this already at your monthly meetings. And about sending out my resume, don''t you understand I have (To Much Time To Quit). I tried to make it easy on you guys when I picked that name as I was sure when I posted all the shortcomings of our company/union I would be hearing that battle cry. Its mainly about the revote and deception. And please don''t tell me how they saved all of our jobs. SAVE IT!!

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so you''re telling me that you are all for AMFA as an only option here at U as NW mec''s sit idly by and watch AMFA let the company outsource carte blanche and they tell the rank and file theres nothing they can do about it.at least IAM would go to court.go over to singaporre and see how many AMFA mechs from NW are doing their heavies now,my friend.as of yet i haven''t seen nor heard of any of our work at U going out the door.or did i miss something?sure theres plenty of rumors...and thats all...rumors.speculation....thats all.IAM needs more arm chair rank and file like you.you do your union proud.you''d be the same arm chair expert if it was AMFA you swore your allegience to.you don''t fool me one minute.guys like you want to reap all the rewards as long as someone else does the work.no matter what union you belong to it isn''t any stronger than the membership and guys like you do not have any business in a union,no matter what that union is. have a nice day.

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Lester, you sure sound alot like delldude who disappeared after he lost his composure. And got whacked by the moderator. I would guess you punched in a new email address and have transformed from delldude to lester. Kind of like the hulk. I''m getting angry now! I''ve been there and done that as far as involvement with the iam. over 15 years worth. I have to much integrity to help spread their LIES!! Their corupt ways have been exposed. And I like many others are ready to show them the door. I do not know anyone who works for NW, and I do know they are having layoffs and other troubles. But like I said if you read their news off of an iam website it is mostly LIES!! You see the iam will do or say anything not to lose united. They are blaming AMFA for closing Ind. and preventing them from reopening it. You cannot even get an answer from any of the higher up iam officials. Try to get a reply through email from ford, roach , varsel or any fo those guys. They are unreachable. Its not the lower level local lodges who did the damage. Its the higher up LIARS!! Take care my friend lester or can I call you delldude!
 
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On 6/24/2003 11:28:27 AM lester wrote:


i''m not lisa...i am julie

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Lisa? so delldude is a dellwoman. I''m CONFUSED again. If you are a Julie I would be willing to bet you are in another classification besides mechanic. Seeing that the ratio of female mechanics at usairways is very small. And if you are in the other group I can see why you love the iam so much. If I was in the underskilled group I would also fully support the iam. They have become the robin hood of unions. Take from the skilled workers and give to the underskilled. Its nothing personal. We just don''t want our future wages negotiated as a group any longer. You see its basic math, The iam only cares about it being an iam member doing the job,even if their employed somewhere else. Can you say Midatlantic. So you keep up that attendance at the meetings, you want to be sure your eligible for that next convention. And if and when there is ever a seperation,lets just see even in the best of economic times how much any airlines will be willing to give you for your services without the benefit of a union that has the skilled mechanics as bargaining chips. Nothing personal just business!
 
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On 6/24/2003 11:33:34 PM delldude wrote:


spare me the litany...put it to rest.

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Well you are Catholic..at least we know that...now we just have to figure out the other.
 
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On 6/24/2003 11:48:37 PM willnotworkforfree wrote:

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On 6/24/2003 11:33:34 PM delldude wrote:


spare me the litany...put it to rest.

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Well you are Catholic..at least we know that...now we just have to figure out the other.

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maybe just a little confused...go ahead get it out...you will feel better.
 
Dio, your final contract was negoiatied by only fleet service after the creation of DL 141M, Tom Brickner, GLR (fleet for UA), Greg Bonar and Jerry Moore, Fleet for US Airways and some other fleet members, the contract opening rounds were done by a mixture of mechanic and related and fleet.

And I was in stores and now back to utility, been hearing the coat tail remarks for years, just ignore them.
 
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On 6/24/2003 11:25:26 PM to much time to quit wrote:

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On 6/24/2003 11:28:27 AM lester wrote:


i''m not lisa...i am julie

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Lisa? so delldude is a dellwoman. I''m CONFUSED again. If you are a Julie I would be willing to bet you are in another classification besides mechanic. Seeing that the ratio of female mechanics at usairways is very small. And if you are in the other group I can see why you love the iam so much. If I was in the underskilled group I would also fully support the iam. They have become the robin hood of unions. Take from the skilled workers and give to the underskilled. Its nothing personal. We just don''t want our future wages negotiated as a group any longer. You see its basic math, The iam only cares about it being an iam member doing the job,even if their employed somewhere else. Can you say Midatlantic. So you keep up that attendance at the meetings, you want to be sure your eligible for that next convention. And if and when there is ever a seperation,lets just see even in the best of economic times how much any airlines will be willing to give you for your services without the benefit of a union that has the skilled mechanics as bargaining chips. Nothing personal just business!

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TMTTQ,

Please sir, ''splane somethin'' to a poor old ramp rat.

Fleet service did not ratify a contract until 1999 - the same one,somewhat amended now, we are currently working under. Prior to that, fleet and customer service (not mech and related) worked out of the same company Personnel Policy Guide - same pay rates, same work rules, same bennies, etc. Prior to the fences going up for certification purposes, we could even transfer between departments. In another world, I was a customer service agent.

When we ratified the 1999 contract, it was basically the PPG with a few minor changes.

Shortly thereafter, customer service voted CWA, a union with zero prior airline experience.

Since then, fleet and customer service payscales have kept pace with one another.

I said all that to ask this.

In light of the foregoing,how on earth has U fleet ridden the mech''s coattails? We weren''t even represented by the same union until 1999, and the contract fleet currently has was negotiated by mechanics - not fleet guys.

Our payscale has historically, and currently, kept pace with customer service. Our payscale has lost ground over the past decade, when compared with mechanics.

If it''s any consolation to you, I voted Steel. I did not want to be the mechanic''s stepchild. In retrospect, I overestimated our reception.
 
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On 6/25/2003 12:23:33 PM diogenes wrote:

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On 6/24/2003 11:25:26 PM to much time to quit wrote:

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On 6/24/2003 11:28:27 AM lester wrote:


i''m not lisa...i am julie

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Lisa? so delldude is a dellwoman. I''m CONFUSED again. If you are a Julie I would be willing to bet you are in another classification besides mechanic. Seeing that the ratio of female mechanics at usairways is very small. And if you are in the other group I can see why you love the iam so much. If I was in the underskilled group I would also fully support the iam. They have become the robin hood of unions. Take from the skilled workers and give to the underskilled. Its nothing personal. We just don''t want our future wages negotiated as a group any longer. You see its basic math, The iam only cares about it being an iam member doing the job,even if their employed somewhere else. Can you say Midatlantic. So you keep up that attendance at the meetings, you want to be sure your eligible for that next convention. And if and when there is ever a seperation,lets just see even in the best of economic times how much any airlines will be willing to give you for your services without the benefit of a union that has the skilled mechanics as bargaining chips. Nothing personal just business!

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TMTTQ,

Please sir, ''splane somethin'' to a poor old ramp rat.

Fleet service did not ratify a contract until 1999 - the same one,somewhat amended now, we are currently working under. Prior to that, fleet and customer service (not mech and related) worked out of the same company Personnel Policy Guide - same pay rates, same work rules, same bennies, etc. Prior to the fences going up for certification purposes, we could even transfer between departments. In another world, I was a customer service agent.

When we ratified the 1999 contract, it was basically the PPG with a few minor changes.

Shortly thereafter, customer service voted CWA, a union with zero prior airline experience.

Since then, fleet and customer service payscales have kept pace with one another.

I said all that to ask this.

In light of the foregoing,how on earth has U fleet ridden the mech''s coattails? We weren''t even represented by the same union until 1999, and the contract fleet currently has was negotiated by mechanics - not fleet guys.

Our payscale has historically, and currently, kept pace with customer service. Our payscale has lost ground over the past decade, when compared with mechanics.

If it''s any consolation to you, I voted Steel. I did not want to be the mechanic''s stepchild. In retrospect, I overestimated our reception.

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Obviously there is CONFUSION again. The other employee group I was referring to was stock and utility. Its nothing personal towards these people and there are many very good people in that group. The company would not give the mechanics the farm in the best of times, but we are tired of the piece of the pie game.
 
The other employee group I was referring to was stock and utility. Its nothing personal towards these people and there are many very good people in that group.
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Whats interesting about this statement is that many of those fine people went on to become mechanics.

When the company downsized much like theyve done in the recent past those same people had the option of excercising their senority and bumping down to a lower classification as opposed to losing their job and having to seek employment elsewhere.
 
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On 6/25/2003 1:01:05 PM LavMan wrote:


Dio, your final contract was negoiatied by only fleet service after the creation of DL 141M, Tom Brickner, GLR (fleet for UA), Greg Bonar and Jerry Moore, Fleet for US Airways and some other fleet members, the contract opening rounds were done by a mixture of mechanic and related and fleet.

And I was in stores and now back to utility, been hearing the coat tail remarks for years, just ignore them.

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LM,

Theoretically, that may be so.

Here''s how it played out in the real world.

From certification to wrapping up the initial contract (4 years) for a vote, the only two folks I dealt with was AGC Joe Trimble (mechanic) and my local lodge president (mechanic). At no time was I referred to Messrs. Moore, Chandlee, Bonar or Miklavic (whose signatures as WITNESSES appear on page 94 of the FSA), nor did I know who these gentlemen were nor what role they played.

Additionally, at the D&P show the IAM put on during the run-up to an initial vote, the guys doing the talking were Brickner, Thiede and Frieberger.


Lastly, take note of who signed EVERY LOA in the FSA - Brickner.

Common sense (I know, it''s not all that common) says your not going to take a bunch of greenhorns and turn them loose on something like this.
 
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