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On 6/17/2003 11
55 AM N628AU wrote:
Yes, but I think many from CLT and TPA would have ample evidence to claim that PIT has seen a disproportionate amount of support from the IAM, often at the expense of the "Southern Division". CLT and TPA have been dumped on for years, probably going on 15 since the Piedmont merger, now PIT feels threatened and many IAM members in PIT feel they are not being represented. Look at the underutilization of the CLT facility, it is downright frightening.
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TPA was closed due to employee problems and damage to property.it was an ongoing cluster **** as far as management was and is concerned.On 6/17/2003 11
55 AM N628AU wrote:Yes, but I think many from CLT and TPA would have ample evidence to claim that PIT has seen a disproportionate amount of support from the IAM, often at the expense of the "Southern Division". CLT and TPA have been dumped on for years, probably going on 15 since the Piedmont merger, now PIT feels threatened and many IAM members in PIT feel they are not being represented. Look at the underutilization of the CLT facility, it is downright frightening.
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winston and gso work for the most part went to CLT.PIT did dc9-md80-f100 work.PIT had 737 work that went to CLT a long time ago. then came back as CLT did wide bodies ''67/''57 fleet and now they have ''bus c chks.....so whats the problem? PIT lost avionics and coffee shop and wheel and brake shops....gained engine QEC.PIT lost heavy sheet metal work to CLT.it works both ways,balances fairly well.
Yes, but I think many from CLT and TPA would have ample evidence to claim that PIT has seen a disproportionate amount of support from the IAM, often at the expense of the "Southern Division". CLT and TPA have been dumped on for years, probably going on 15 since the Piedmont merger, now PIT feels threatened and many IAM members in PIT feel they are not being represented. Look at the underutilization of the CLT facility, it is downright frightening.
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On 6/16/2003 11:38:10 PM tug_slug wrote:
The IAM''s chief concern is making sure the work is being done by an IAM member. Where the work is done is up to the company.
So true your statement is! Also in the iam''s eyes as long as that iam member is bringing in dues monies he or she doesn''t even have to be employed at Usairways. And as far as being skilled in a technical field such as aircraft maintenance those members are needed the most to raise the pay of the underskilled workers in these fields. Just compare your salary to the other employee groups under the iam and you can''t deny the truth. This is the very reason why the iam''s empire is crumbling at United and will possibly be gone at Usairways also. You don''t use your skilled technicians for bargaining chips for the other workers! Everyone is seeing the light and the end to this PATHETIC practice will be upon us soon. I HOPE.
On 6/16/2003 11:38:10 PM tug_slug wrote:
The IAM''s chief concern is making sure the work is being done by an IAM member. Where the work is done is up to the company.
So true your statement is! Also in the iam''s eyes as long as that iam member is bringing in dues monies he or she doesn''t even have to be employed at Usairways. And as far as being skilled in a technical field such as aircraft maintenance those members are needed the most to raise the pay of the underskilled workers in these fields. Just compare your salary to the other employee groups under the iam and you can''t deny the truth. This is the very reason why the iam''s empire is crumbling at United and will possibly be gone at Usairways also. You don''t use your skilled technicians for bargaining chips for the other workers! Everyone is seeing the light and the end to this PATHETIC practice will be upon us soon. I HOPE.
Also a point to remember, PIT gets the work done.
We all know TPA had discrimination problems they fought for a long time and we all know CLT always tries to prove points and slow down production.
They close down TPA and bring the Airbus cockpit doors here with a strict deadline and no in heavy trained on the Airbus, do you think PIT took it negatively? No. They took the gen fam class and got the doors done ahead of schedule. I bet if they would have tried this in CLT, those guys would have tried to "make them eat metal".
History shows PIT gets the job done and done right. Their Q checks don''t always go out on time, butthey don''t come out with deferred work or open OM7''s. Wekeep seeign Airbus A checks coming out of CLT and TPA with deferred job cards off the checks.
Do the work and the work will keep coming.
Of course this doesn''t mean the company won''t shut down PIT in a heartbeat if it make sense in $ terms. I know they will and forget all the good things anybody did and put everybody on the street without blinking an eye.
We all know TPA had discrimination problems they fought for a long time and we all know CLT always tries to prove points and slow down production.
They close down TPA and bring the Airbus cockpit doors here with a strict deadline and no in heavy trained on the Airbus, do you think PIT took it negatively? No. They took the gen fam class and got the doors done ahead of schedule. I bet if they would have tried this in CLT, those guys would have tried to "make them eat metal".
History shows PIT gets the job done and done right. Their Q checks don''t always go out on time, butthey don''t come out with deferred work or open OM7''s. Wekeep seeign Airbus A checks coming out of CLT and TPA with deferred job cards off the checks.
Do the work and the work will keep coming.
Of course this doesn''t mean the company won''t shut down PIT in a heartbeat if it make sense in $ terms. I know they will and forget all the good things anybody did and put everybody on the street without blinking an eye.
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"...........History shows PIT gets the job done and done right. Their Q checks don''t always go out on time, butthey don''t come out with deferred work or open OM7''s. Wekeep seeign Airbus A checks coming out of CLT and TPA with deferred job cards off the checks.
Do the work and the work will keep coming."
Why do you even want to go there??? With that sort of predjudice, I somehow doubt you''ll have an open mind for places hundreds of miles from you...and forget the 3rd-hand heresay. Stop with the childish "we''re better than you" stuff. Every place will be able to dig up dirt on another given enough anecdotal heresay. Hell, we even hear how one shift does it all because the other 2 don''t.
Do the work and the work will keep coming."
Why do you even want to go there??? With that sort of predjudice, I somehow doubt you''ll have an open mind for places hundreds of miles from you...and forget the 3rd-hand heresay. Stop with the childish "we''re better than you" stuff. Every place will be able to dig up dirt on another given enough anecdotal heresay. Hell, we even hear how one shift does it all because the other 2 don''t.
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The Winston-Salem maintenance base had consistently put out quality, on-time work since the 1960''s. Look where that got ''em.
CLT base mtc numbers have been beating PITs for a couple of years now, go ask the company for the #s.
Second we all know about the hospital bay PIT has, if you dont work in Charlotte and we know you don't our productivity has been way better then PITs.
Third when they closed GSO and INT they tried to put three more tracks worth of work to a hangar that all ready been operating on a 120% basis, all the bays were full, we were even doing work outside, you can't put 10lbs of crap into a 5lb bag and make it work. The only reason you got the 737 work after 9/11 is that they did not want to shut down an entire mtc base.
Fourth, look at what has transpired in CLT:
A more modern facility.
A brand new line hangar, (where is the FSMC that you been touting for years?)
A brand new training center built in CLT, not PIT.
So if you live in a glass house don't throw stones, all your statements are opinions, and the numbers which are facts show that CLT is outperforming PIT, if you don't believe me go check the performance charts.
And by the way when they closed TPA who got the Overnight Airbii C1 thru C-10 checks?
Answer: CLT 3rd shift line maintenance hangar, not PIT.
Where did the three day C-11 Airbii check go when they closed TPA?
Answer: CLT Base Mtc, not PIT.
If PIT is so far superior why did the work go to CLT instead of PIT?
If PIT is so far superior why did US abrogate all the leases, lncluding base mtc?
If PIT is so far superior why did McMullen come out on the floor and say if you cant get the C-check on the 737s on time we will move the work to CLT?
Take off your rose colored glasses, life exists beyond PIT, the writing is on the wall, PIT is the next CVG.
Second we all know about the hospital bay PIT has, if you dont work in Charlotte and we know you don't our productivity has been way better then PITs.
Third when they closed GSO and INT they tried to put three more tracks worth of work to a hangar that all ready been operating on a 120% basis, all the bays were full, we were even doing work outside, you can't put 10lbs of crap into a 5lb bag and make it work. The only reason you got the 737 work after 9/11 is that they did not want to shut down an entire mtc base.
Fourth, look at what has transpired in CLT:
A more modern facility.
A brand new line hangar, (where is the FSMC that you been touting for years?)
A brand new training center built in CLT, not PIT.
So if you live in a glass house don't throw stones, all your statements are opinions, and the numbers which are facts show that CLT is outperforming PIT, if you don't believe me go check the performance charts.
And by the way when they closed TPA who got the Overnight Airbii C1 thru C-10 checks?
Answer: CLT 3rd shift line maintenance hangar, not PIT.
Where did the three day C-11 Airbii check go when they closed TPA?
Answer: CLT Base Mtc, not PIT.
If PIT is so far superior why did the work go to CLT instead of PIT?
If PIT is so far superior why did US abrogate all the leases, lncluding base mtc?
If PIT is so far superior why did McMullen come out on the floor and say if you cant get the C-check on the 737s on time we will move the work to CLT?
Take off your rose colored glasses, life exists beyond PIT, the writing is on the wall, PIT is the next CVG.
Sure, PIT may have Q checks on the 737 come out late, they did in CLT as well. As for jobs being deferred on the Airbus, the issue probably has to do more with not having the proper parts in inventory (ask AOG-N-IT), than anything else. I will not play PIT vs. CLT vs. TPA, and that was never my intent. All US employees do an outstanding job, and I would gladly fly on any aircraft coming out of any one of our maintenance bases. The constnat problem I see, is that whenever scorecards come out, the stations ranking at the top always get closed (ALB was always at the top for R.O.N. performance, and got whacked first).
Maintenance is something very tough to judge from a management standpoint. You need to have some benchmarks for production, yet you can never compromise safety. As for bashing one another''s stations (I wont name any names here, but scroll back up to see the guilty parties), you do nothing but make your own lives more miserable.
Maintenance is something very tough to judge from a management standpoint. You need to have some benchmarks for production, yet you can never compromise safety. As for bashing one another''s stations (I wont name any names here, but scroll back up to see the guilty parties), you do nothing but make your own lives more miserable.
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So true your statement is! Also in the iam''s eyes as long as that iam member is bringing in dues monies he or she doesn''t even have to be employed at Usairways. And as far as being skilled in a technical field such as aircraft maintenance those members are needed the most to raise the pay of the underskilled workers in these fields. Just compare your salary to the other employee groups under the iam and you can''t deny the truth. This is the very reason why the iam''s empire is crumbling at United and will possibly be gone at Usairways also. You don''t use your skilled technicians for bargaining chips for the other workers! Everyone is seeing the light and the end to this PATHETIC practice will be upon us soon. I HOPE.
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Yeah yeah yeah... Ive heard it all before.So true your statement is! Also in the iam''s eyes as long as that iam member is bringing in dues monies he or she doesn''t even have to be employed at Usairways. And as far as being skilled in a technical field such as aircraft maintenance those members are needed the most to raise the pay of the underskilled workers in these fields. Just compare your salary to the other employee groups under the iam and you can''t deny the truth. This is the very reason why the iam''s empire is crumbling at United and will possibly be gone at Usairways also. You don''t use your skilled technicians for bargaining chips for the other workers! Everyone is seeing the light and the end to this PATHETIC practice will be upon us soon. I HOPE.
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If you want to talk about the truth lets talk about the outsourcing AMFA allows, how about the outrageously high insurance co-pays the mechanics over at Northwest have to pay?
Sure a Northwest mechanic may make more money but what good is it without job security?
Northwest is talking about getting concessions from their labor groups to the tune of $950 million. Lets see how well AMFA protects its members when Northwest starts with the "if we dont get the concessions we want we''ll file for bankruptcy" threat.
